Denied seat recline on long haul

[straitman]

Not the "collective thoughts" at all.

Recline at all = no no
Recline and you will be jostled every 20 minutes and deprived sleep = yes yes

OK.

They are the collective thoughts of many though maybe not all.

Your comments fit, in my opinion, into the unacceptable area :!:

 

[legroom]

Not the "collective thoughts" at all.

Recline at all = no no
Recline and you will be jostled every 20 minutes and deprived sleep = yes yes

So, unless you agree, everything / everyone is now in the minority ???

Could you so eloquently explain why that Talibanesque stance should be the case ?

How many "likes" have your posts attracted to allow you to make such a puerile assertion?

Grow up, Xmas day or not !

BTW, is there any reason why you believe that seat rocking will not bring forth a reaction ?

What makes you think that you are the only "person" capable of meting out force ?

I'd love to be the seat in front of you sometime.

PS: the word "person" is in bracket as I suspect you are not one of us - the decent, considerate types who accept the whY seat pitch [when we are not in Y+ or J]

 

[legroom]

I would like to try and summarise what could be a never ending thread (and increasingly boring I have to say). The points below are not my personal opinion but I think a summary of collective thoughts on this particularly topic.
1. Recline during take off, landing and meals = no no
2. Recline during short domestic trips in daytime = no (have noted the traveler who might be on the end of a long international flight)
3. Recline slowly at times other than 1 and 2 = acceptable
4. Apart from 1 and 2 and observing 3, reclining is the pax's right as the airlines provide the ability to recline
5. Physically resisting a recline is not really acceptable (see point 4)
6. Domino effect is perfectly acceptable when point 3 kicks in and finally
7. If you really can't cope with being reclined on or are long in the legs, bad back or any other affliction, buy/select an exit row, Y+ or J seat

Well done !

Mods, I'd suggest the AFF pins this post with this particular summary right at the beginning of the post.

It is a decent summary of what should be expected on this sensitive issue where some riff-raffs had expressed very objectionable views (seat rocking or dropping objects from OHSB)

 

[JW1003]

Easy fly twice a fortnight for 2.5 hours each way, no lounge access, no frequent flyer points, no status credits, no online checkin, no priority checkin / boarding, checkin closes 45 minutes prior to departure, and no seats have the ability to recline. Everyone (well nearly everyone) is treated as an equal.

 

[Mal Ware]

I would have that those views would indeed be part of the minority...

Probably the minority, but definitely not the collective.

OK.

They are the collective thoughts of many though maybe not all.

Your comments fit, in my opinion, into the unacceptable area :!:

I also find someone reclining onto me to be unacceptable.

So, unless you agree, everything / everyone is now in the minority ???

I never said that, please do not use your words as mine in order to try and support your point of view.

How many "likes" have your posts attracted to allow you to make such a puerile assertion?

What are you on? lol

BTW, is there any reason why you believe that seat rocking will not bring forth a reaction ?

What makes you think that you are the only "person" capable of meting out force ?

I'd love to be the seat in front of you sometime.

PS: the word "person" is in bracket as I suspect you are not one of us - the decent, considerate types who accept the whY seat pitch [when we are not in Y+ or J]

Perhaps a few too many Xmas drinks? You seem to be getting emotional and aggressive, perhaps chill out for a while.

Well done !

It is a decent summary of what should be expected on this sensitive issue where some riff-raffs had expressed very objectionable views (seat rocking or dropping objects from OHSB)

I find it objectionable to be reclined upon and will therefore take action, of course I am polite first, if that fails, well you know the rest....

Just because you disagree you feel the need to label people riff-raffs? LOL. Calm down...

 

[RWJ777]

Of course having a seat reclined into your space is off-putting, and more than a little inconvenient at times, but it's part of Y travel which provides little in the way of personal space or comfort (and that's why it's cheap!). Seats are 'reclineable' by design so I don't think that we can really complain too much about the feature being utilised and I am absolutely sure you can't 'decline' someone the right to do so, unless of course at prescribed times (ie take off and landing etc).

In all of these things, courtesy is the answer; don't recline at meal time and be very mindful of how you do it, ie not suddenly. By contrast, it would be very impolite, and I am absolutely sure would not be tolerated by the crew, to jostle into someone's seat in front to deliberately cause discomfort as some sort of punitive reaction to their reclining.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

maybe anti recliners are jealous? don't earn have enough money to travel any other way? classic example of trying to have your cake (cheap flights) and eat it too (having all the room you can and no one 'impinging' on you?)

this actually fits nicely with the loss of control/victim theory... people who don't have the means to pay for extra room have lost control on their flights, and feel the victim (the 'haves' out to get the 'have nots'). most people who have sufficient funds but choose to fly economy are making a conscious decision to do so and are able to realise that by saving money they have to put up with the constraints of their seat (or other seats).

 

[docjames]

I think parts of this thread are a sad reflection of how some members of our society choose to interact with one another.

I'm not sure much else will be achieved by prolonging this thread.

 

[D747]

I would like to try and summarise what could be a never ending thread (and increasingly boring I have to say). The points below are not my personal opinion but I think a summary of collective thoughts on this particularly topic.
1. Recline during take off, landing and meals = no no
2. Recline during short domestic trips in daytime = no (have noted the traveler who might be on the end of a long international flight)
3. Recline slowly at times other than 1 and 2 = acceptable
4. Apart from 1 and 2 and observing 3, reclining is the pax's right as the airlines provide the ability to recline
5. Physically resisting a recline is not really acceptable (see point 4)
6. Domino effect is perfectly acceptable when point 3 kicks in and finally
7. If you really can't cope with being reclined on or are long in the legs, bad back or any other affliction, buy/select an exit row, Y+ or J seat

Perfectly summed up as above IMHO. Seats have recline as a feature and believeing people will not use it is like telling them not to use IFE because their screen shines in your eyes.

 

[legroom]

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I find it objectionable to be reclined upon and will therefore take action, of course I am polite first, if that fails, well you know the rest....

Newtonian laws of physics - every action will bring forth a reaction.

That's an unemotional part of life - like it or not.

No need to ask for "chill out" !

Use Greyhound next time as it appears you cannot accept your lot in life with grace.

I will say it again: grow up and be an adult for a change.

In a democracy, you can object but you must not use violence - seat rocking is manifestly violent - to protect / promote your selfish viewpoint.

You had transgressed well beyond the boundaries of common decency.

 

[yo yo ma]

Would love to reply with an honest answer, but I have effectively been gagged, last post for me in this thread.

What happened with this?

 

[Pushka]

Maybe just accept that if the recline function is available, then some will choose to use and some not. And those who usually don't, might one day feel so tired or unwell, that they may recline as a once off.

If the person in front of me reclines, I just hope they don't do it suddenly and whack me in the face. Or when trying to eat. I usually don't reciprocate by also reclining unless I really need to. Which I usually don't. I certainly don't get antsy when they do. Too many crazies in this world to know how they're going to react. Live and let live.

 

[JohnPhelan]

Recline and you will be jostled every 20 minutes and deprived sleep = yes yes

By whom? Ignorant, inconsiderate bogans??

 

[pippy]

Not the "collective thoughts" at all.

Recline at all = no no
Recline and you will be jostled every 20 minutes and deprived sleep = yes yes

Surely you made this comment to get a bite, I can't imagine any adult thinking its ok to continually jostle the person in front for reclining, wouldn't the effort that would take on your part be annoying to you in itself? Do your concentrated efforts to anoy the person in front make you feel better, more powerfull, avenged, happy, what, I am honestly interested in this eye for an eye thinking? When I was a child travelling in the back seat of the car with my brother we had a continual push shove jostling for space action happening all the time, knees, elbows, a bit of occasional pinching, thank god we grew out of that because it was bloody exhausting.

While you are setting your clock to be annoying on a regular schedule the recliner in front is just chilling out with no mean intent, they really are not aware of your issues, maybe you should warn them on boarding, Hi I am Mal here is a list of MY reason for YOU not to recline, please agree or I turn into a physco every 20 minutes or so.

Surely you jest, I laughed so hard at your every 20 mintues comment/threat.

 

[RWJ777]

I am a little reluctant to add this comment lest it inflame but on reflection feel somewhat bound to do so should someone be inspired to jostle or strike the seat in front (although the general consensus seems to be that such behaviour would be inappropriate).

I say bound as such actions would be more than inappropriate -- if the jostling were designed to cause the passenger in front discomfort by the seat jolting them, by it having been jostled, it could constitute an assault. Moreover, if -- as a result of the jostling -- the passenger in front expected to be jolted or struck that too could constitute an assault; assault can be by intermediary means or even by fear of physical contact occurring.

I think this probably goes to the weight of opinion that it would not be very wise to jostle or jolt your fellow pax--unless of course they're hogging your arm-rest!! ;-)

In all seriousness though, turning the cards somewhat, I find little more annoying than pax behind me, when my seat is in the upright position, using my seat as a rest for their knees so they can hunch in their seats, thereby causing my seat to move and jolt every time they do. It's not just on planes -- some people in cinemas think nothing of using the chair in front as their personal foot rest again causing movement for the person in front when move. Very inconsiderate.

 

[Pushka]

In all seriousness though, turning the cards somewhat, I find little more annoying than pax behind me, when my seat is in the upright position, using my seat as a rest for their knees so they can hunch in their seats, thereby causing my seat to move and jolt every time they do. It's not just on planes -- some people in cinemas think nothing of using the chair in front as their personal foot rest again causing movement for the person in front when move. Very inconsiderate.

Could I add some information to this issue? I had a spinal disc removed in my thirties and one thing that causes severe pain to me, and causes me to limp when I finally stand, is having to sit straight in my seat so all the pressure of sitting goes straight through my sciatic nerve. Compounding this is that my leg from thigh to knee is quite long. My knees almost touch the back of the seat. I have to slide down in order to relieve the pressure. So it may be that the person behind you isn't inconsiderate, but actually in a bit of pain.

 

[ashleyn]

Could I add some information to this issue? I had a spinal disc removed in my thirties and one thing that causes severe pain to me, and causes me to limp when I finally stand, is having to sit straight in my seat so all the pressure of sitting goes straight through my sciatic nerve. Compounding this is that my leg from thigh to knee is quite long. My knees almost touch the back of the seat. I have to slide down in order to relieve the pressure. So it may be that the person behind you isn't inconsiderate, but actually in a bit of pain.

It's been said before Pushka, if you have special needs, select/buy an exit row seat or a higher class. Don't buy a standard Y seat then complain that your special needs have not been accommodated. It just doesn't work that way.

 

[mannej]

It's been said before Pushka, if you have special needs, select/buy an exit row seat or a higher class. Don't buy a standard Y seat then complain that your special needs have not been accommodated. It just doesn't work that way.

I think that's bang out of order. There was never any suggestion of having special needs not being catered for. Just the fact that childish actions like what was suggested may cause more than annoyance. That in itself is a fair call.

FWIW - I'd imagine an injury like that would prevent the exit row as an option. There have been some silly suggestions, hence why I think some perspective was a good idea.

 

[Mal Ware]

What happened with this?

I curbed my enthusiasm. Can I suggest you avail yourself of the ignore feature if you do not wish to see me posting.

By whom? Ignorant, inconsiderate bogans??

Could be, could also be by a high paid professional like myself......you never know

Do your concentrated efforts to anoy the person in front make you feel better, more powerfull, avenged, happy, what, I am honestly interested in this eye for an eye thinking?

To choose from your adjectives, I would probably say avenged, in other words, if you want to make yourself more comfortable at my expense and cause me pain and discomfort, then you best expect some back.

I say bound as such actions would be more than inappropriate -- if the jostling were designed to cause the passenger in front discomfort by the seat jolting them, by it having been jostled, it could constitute an assault. Moreover, if -- as a result of the jostling -- the passenger in front expected to be jolted or struck that too could constitute an assault; assault can be by intermediary means or even by fear of physical contact occurring.

LOL. Then using your logic, if my knees are "struck" or I have the physical fear of the seat in front me striking them, then the person reclining on me would actually be assaulting me?

It's not just on planes -- some people in cinemas think nothing of using the chair in front as their personal foot rest again causing movement for the person in front when move. Very inconsiderate.

Shame you cannot recline onto them then isn't it.

It's been said before Pushka, if you have special needs, select/buy an exit row seat or a higher class. Don't buy a standard Y seat then complain that your special needs have not been accommodated. It just doesn't work that way.

Charming. The arrogance of the recliner shows no bounds.

 

[Mal Ware]

No need to ask for "chill out" !

You seemed to be getting a little emotional, hence my advice to you.

Use Greyhound next time as it appears you cannot accept your lot in life with grace.

LOL. Thanks for the tip but I am fine with where I am at, my lot is okay. The person who may choose to recline on me could probably not say the same though.

I will say it again: grow up and be an adult for a change.

In a democracy, you can object but you must not use violence - seat rocking is manifestly violent - to protect / promote your selfish viewpoint.

On the contrary, I consider those who recline on me to be promoting their selfish view point. You see I do no encroach on others when flying, I sit in my seat and accept it for what it is, not a flying bed. Should the seat behind me have a small person, a child or be empty then I may recline a little for comfort, but other than that, I respect the person behind me and do not selfishly swing my chair back regardless if they are in pain or not as people like you seem to do with glee. BTW if I have the need to "seat rock" it is done very subtly and could no way be construed as interference.

Just because I need to find a magazine, or stretch my legs every 20 minutes or go to the toilet and have trouble getting up does not mean that I am using any violence. Just simply interacting with the seat in front of me during the normal intercourse of life. If that seat happens to be resting on my knees then of course the interactions would be much more noticeable for the owner of that seat.

You had transgressed well beyond the boundaries of common decency.

Pot/Kettle..... Again. Common decency from my point of view would be to ensure I have regard for my fellow passengers, unlike those who recline at will regardless of the size of the person behind them or any unique circumstances.

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