Denied seat recline on long haul

[medhead]

It seem you have misunderstood - I have clarified. (reclining is optional)

The underlying part about "airline wanting" relates directly to revenue - it has everything to do with "wanting" to increase it.

It costs them more to have recline facility; it seems bean counters have come to the conclusion the cost-benefit is there, as you state "to entice them to spend money".

Ok my post wasn't clear either. I just think they don't really care what you do, within reason, once they have our money.


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[QF029]

Tall is a relative thing and at 198cm I've probably got most of the Board covered but I make no apology for reclining on long haul. Of course, where possible I'd go for an exit row, 80A etc. The row 40 on 747 was great because there was no one behind to complain!

 

[Jurahn]

I can't complain about other people reclining, as I do it myself, especially on long haul flights although only at times when I want to try to get some sleep. I do however have a problem with those selfish "recline the second the plane takes off and don't put my seat up until we're getting ready to land" folk - when we flew to Europe via Dubai, a few minutes after the plane lifted off in Perth the person in front of my hubby reclined his seat fully and didn't put it back up again for the entire 10.5 hour flight to Dubai. Delightful (not). Being on an old Emirates A330, the seatback was literally right in my husband's face. Complete arrogance and ignorance in those circumstances, as far as I'm concerned. Despite the extra cost, we now try to fly PE whenever possible for the extra space (would prefer to fly J, but not in our budget at the moment!).

I did have an "encroacher" on a recent PER-SYD flight, although not by reclining - I'm 5' nothing, and on some flights it can become uncomfortable trying to keep both feet flat on the floor as it puts a lot of pressure on the back of my upper legs, so I quite often hook the heel of one shoe (or sometimes both) on the u-shaped metal framework under the front of my seat (just above the floor) which I find a little more comfortable. However, the tall and rather hefty Samoan man sitting behind me decided it was perfectly OK to slouch down in his seat, stretch his legs right out and push his feet ALL the way under my seat and not only rest them against the metal bar, but actually protrude past it. I wondered what on earth it was when I went to rest my foot on the bar and thought it might have been some carry-on luggage that had slipped right under the seat but no, it was his feet!! I then proceeded to play a constant game of "footsie" with this guy for the entire 4-hour flight - I had to go to the loo a couple of times, and each time I came back, his front of his feet were poking out under my seat, so the "game" started again. Yes, mate, I know you're tall but I don't give a rat's - I paid for this seat (and a flexi fare at that) - and this is MY foot space!!!!! If you don't like the amount of space where you're sitting, you can pay for an exit seat or bite the bullet and pay for J - otherwise, keep your feet to yourself!

 

[pippy]

You could use that example if by both reclining neither impeded the other, however when the person in-front reclines and their seat actually is touching the knees of the person behind, who is the ignorant one?

Well seeing as how I dont have eyes in the back of my head and I didn't get a chance to check out how long the person in the rears legs were before I sat down, I would be ignorant to the fact that their knees were even pressed up against the seat, not to be confused with me being plain old ignorant in general.

I can't see their knees to adjust my recline, the person at the rear however can see my seat moving and should adjust their knees. So perhaps the person jamming their knees against my seat is the ignorant one.

And my final words are, ohmygawd people take a chill pill and enjoy the flight and stop obsessing over the injustices of what can only be classed as a first world problem.

 

[JohnK]

the difference however is that one is not rude (reclining outside of meal times), the other is rude and outside any normal person's behavior. (in fact it would only perhaps be a symptom of the person suffering from a disorder of some sort and unable to employ rational thought)

Please explain why there is a handle at the back of the seat? Decoration purposes? I cannot be rude if I am using the facilities that have been made available to me so that I can get up out of my seat when the inconsiderate person in front has reclined. Or should I warn the person in front that I am going to grab on the handle that is there for my use?

I can do this all day....

 

[docjames]

Please explain why there is a handle at the back of the seat? Decoration purposes? I cannot be rude if I am using the facilities that have been made available to me so that I can get up out of my seat when the inconsiderate person in front has reclined. Or should I warn the person in front that I am going to grab on the handle that is there for my use?

I can do this all day....

Handle? Where and which a/c?

 

[irv]

Let's organise a cage fight pre-boarding, recliners in the blue corner, non recliners in the red corner! Winners dictate the terms

 

[nickykim]

So I read this thread over lunch, then headed off to the Air New Zealnd site and paid the $ for an exit row seat for my March flight to LAX in Y! Life is too short - I am off to the USA to learn to pull glass cane and I will be in a better frame of mind and more rested if I don't have to think about whether it is okay or not to recline / have someone recline on me....

 

[JohnK]

Let's start with don't need to recline issues. The person who reclines and then sits with their back upright or leaning over their table while reading a book on the table.

Preparing themselves for when they fall asleep reading and hoping to lean back into a comfortable position.

 

[oz_mark]

Handle? Where and which a/c?

Glad it wasn't just me wondering about that!

 

[whatmeworry]

We all know who we should really blame for this... The Airlines for jamming us in tighter and tighter!

 

[Ausbt]

A woman in front of me reclined once Syd-Bris. I suddenly developed a fascination with 'stress-testing' the tray. Must have banged it shut 20-30 times in the space of 4 mins.
she "are you ok?"
me "yes I'm fine"
...and I continued on.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

A woman in front of me reclined once Syd-Bris. I suddenly developed a fascination with 'stress-testing' the tray. Must have banged it shut 20-30 times in the space of 4 mins.
she "are you ok?"
me "yes I'm fine"
...and I continued on.

why would you do that?

 

[DC3]

I'm guessing that the handle would be on the J skybed shell, so would have no effect on the actual seat in front.

 

[JohnK]

Most reference are to the person - not the actual recline. We hear 'the person slammed their seat back', 'the person didn't look before they reclined', 'the person was hogging the arm-rest and also reclined'.

I don't blame the person. All blame goes on the airline.

Why would you make available a feature where ~50% of the people do no like it and will more than likely never use it? If you are going to do this then make the pitch between the seats bigger to compensate (sorry I do not buy the "If the person in front reclines then you can also recline" line) or have split cabins.

 

[Hvr]

A woman in front of me reclined once Syd-Bris. I suddenly developed a fascination with 'stress-testing' the tray. Must have banged it shut 20-30 times in the space of 4 mins.
she "are you ok?"
me "yes I'm fine"
...and I continued on.

That sounds incredibly childish. Did you stamp your feet and hold your breath as well?

 

[sumthinfornuthin]

Why should someone else have to be uncomfortable by not being able to recline because the person behind them is abnormally large/tall?

That person should pay for an extra leg room seat if they can't cope.

And I guess the person in front who has reclined their seat right back as far as it will go should not whinge when the person sitting in the window seat behind struggles to get out during the flight to go to the toilet and climbs over the sleeping person next to him/her in the aisle seat and then wakes up the recliner in front because there is simply no room left to stand up without knocking or holding onto the fully reclined seat in front as they climb out ???

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I don't blame the person. All blame goes on the airline.

Why would you make available a feature where ~50% of the people do no like it and will more than likely never use it? If you are going to do this then make the pitch between the seats bigger to compensate (sorry I do not buy the "If the person in front reclines then you can also recline" line) or have split cabins.

recent flight (long haul) - ~100% of passengers were using the recline. So to say people don't use it is crazy. This would be akin to saying people on international business or first class wouldn't use the recline either (if they don't recline in economy why would they recline in business or First?). Of course people do.

Anti-seat recliners choose to fly Qantas with their lousy 31' pitch - then so be it. Expect to be reclined on. If they don't like it fly with one of the airlines offering 33' or 34'. But no - people want to take advantage of their qantas club membership so choose to fly qantas internationally as well. Not my fault!

 

[pippy]

A woman in front of me reclined once Syd-Bris. I suddenly developed a fascination with 'stress-testing' the tray. Must have banged it shut 20-30 times in the space of 4 mins.
she "are you ok?"
me "yes I'm fine"
...and I continued on.

she "are you ok?"
me "no I have serious anger management issues"

 

[JohnK]

Handle? Where and which a/c?

Glad it wasn't just me wondering about that!

Am I imagining a handle at the back of the seat?