Change/Clarification of oneword based lounge access

[Danger]

So.....
does being on the QF (marketed) flight number ex JHB to PER (operated by SA) mean that I can use the BA lounge? The dragons are ADAMANT that it must be a OW marketed and operated flight despite my assertions to the contrary.

Great time to print out the revised wording on the oneworld website.

 

[serfty]

So.....
does being on the QF (marketed) flight number ex JHB to PER (operated by SA) mean that I can use the BA lounge? The dragons are ADAMANT that it must be a OW marketed and operated flight despite my assertions to the contrary.

Great time to print out the revised wording on the oneworld website.

The oneworld website was modified a few weeks ago.

With these modifications the rules as per this thread were republished with some reasonably significant changes.

Basically, in October the JNB lounge dragon would have been correct; with the newly published wording it would appear that dragon would now be incorrect.

 

[TonyHancock]

If I'm reading the change correctly, as a WP, I should be entitled to access the AA lounge at EZE when flying on a LAN codeshare flight operated by TAM. (The flight will have an LA number)

 

[Danger]

If I'm reading the change correctly, as a WP, I should be entitled to access the AA lounge at EZE when flying on a LAN codeshare flight operated by TAM. (The flight will have an LA number)

Indeed.

I think it actually opens up a whole host of new opportunities which adds weight to serfty's concern that it may be in error.

Paraphrasing simongr, the door to the lounge just got bigger.

 

[simongr]

It is strange though as on one hand they are tightening a rule unnecessarily and on the other loosening something that didn't need to be loosened. Unless one pays for the other...

I would have to say that I have seen more complaints/comments about lack of lounge access on code shares based on both status and COS than I have about lounge access to alternate lounges based on COS. If one is paying for the other then I think one was much more highly priced than the other.

 

[Timba-Jet]

Marketed OR operated seems very generous. If this is indeed correct and not a typo error, lounge access I can think of that may open up

QF codeshares on: AF(CDG)
VN (CX lounge in SGN)

I would be happy if it was simply 'operated'

 

[serfty]

Marketed OR operated seems very generous. If this is indeed correct and not a typo error, lounge access I can think of that may open up

QF codeshares on: AF(CDG)
VN (CX lounge in SGN) ...

... QF codeshares on JQ metal (for Emerald/Sapphire).

 

[Awesom Andy]

... QF codeshares on JQ metal (for Emerald/Sapphire).

Given they already allow LONEs to be booked onto JQ metal, I think this is a logical step forward.

 

[serfty]

Given they already allow LONEs to be booked onto JQ metal, I think this is a logical step forward.

Until such change, those (non QF) oneworld Sapphires/Emeralds would not by rule get lounge access before travel on QF>JQ codeshares.

 

[wilco]

Until such change, those (non QF) oneworld Sapphires/Emeralds would not by rule get lounge access before travel on QF>JQ codeshares.

The thing i dont get is, what is the point of the codeshare if you don't get the benefit of flying with "the" airline. why not just book it on the operating carriers code?

If you codeshare, it should be considered as tho you are flying on the codeshares metal wether the operating airline (OZ, AF, SA, FJ, LY etc ) is in the alliance or not.

 

[simongr]

The thing i dont get is, what is the point of the codeshare if you don't get the benefit of flying with "the" airline. why not just book it on the operating carriers code?

If you codeshare, it should be considered as tho you are flying on the codeshares metal wether the operating airline (OZ, AF, SA, FJ, LY etc ) is in the alliance or not.

What you do get on a code share is status credits and points...

I agree though that apart from the Jet codeshare to del I don't see the point of them. I think they add confusion.

 

[Danger]

Is this a change too?



Eligibility and Access to The Qantas Club lounges

 

[simongr]

I saw that the other day and thought the wording was clumsy.

 

[wilco]

What you do get on a code share is status credits and points...
I think they add confusion.

Given that they give you the points and SC, why not give you the lounge access that goes with it (ie: pretend as if you were actually flying with them)?
They do their very best to make what should be a simple concept as convoluted and confusing as possible.

 

[awilcockson]

I saw that the other day and thought the wording was clumsy.

Wow that is terrible. So QF hand BA the routes from SIN/HKG to LHR, and then stop you from taking a guest when you fly with them?

 

[Princess Fiona]

Aren't the lounges SIN/BKK joint lounges?
In typical JSA, clear as mud website info the QF site states SIN/BKK are joint BA/QF lounges and HKG is a QF Lounge and the BA website states the exact opposite
Absolutely pathetic shambles as usual.

 

[oz_mark]

How about LAX which is a QF/BA/CX joint lounge!

 

[Princess Fiona]

Also noticed that the QF website appears to contradict itself in that under the OneWorld access rules OW J customers ie. travelling in J on a OW airline and irrespective of status can access QF Int J Lounges with one guest

 

[serfty]

There is another change that I have only just noticed. See here: (Lounge access - oneworld) It used to be "operated and marketed", it is now stating "marketed or operated". Here is what it used to state:

Qantas and AA both contradict this "marketed or operated": Admirals Club ( R ) Lounge Access: oneworld Airlines Member (Qantas lounge access):

That would be Qantas elites at Qantas lounges.

I just have an inkling something has slipped checks with the new updates to the oneworld web site. I foresee some further changes to one or more web sites more sooner or later.

It would seem the wording on the page has changed again, and it is now marketed and operated.

In fact it is even more specific than it had been:

oneworld lounge access for frequent flyers by tier status

Enjoy exclusive access to premium airport lounges around the world as an equivalent oneworld Emerald or Sapphire frequent flyer member. Members of oneworld airline frequent flyer programmes with the equivalent of oneworld Emerald or Sapphire status can use any lounge offered by any oneworld airline when departing on any flight marketed and operated by any oneworld member airline*, no matter in which cabin class they are flying.

(* oneworld flights do not include codeshare flights with non-oneworld airlines, even those marketed by a oneworld Member but operated by a non-oneworld carrier or those operated by a oneworld Member but marketed by a non-oneworld carrier)

 

[moa999]

Thanks serfty,
Always expected that to happen.