Whats happened with Tiger

[MarkD]

I'm thinking of taking a tiger flight when they start flying again. Anyone else up for the joy ex bne?

Why not! Wr can make a day of it virgin lounge anytime access. Tiger to MEL for $2.50 each way with s MEL anytime access in between
Hell i would even buy a coffee from them


Sounds like a plan.......... Do we book VA / qf flights with flexible fares so we can get home just in case tiger dont bother to show up


Damn you iphone and fat fingers. Sent from my iphone and AFF app )

 

[stryker]

This whole affair, in my opinion, has been a huge ego trip for CASA's new CEO. The infractions were fairly minor and Airservices' controllers were not blameless.

Qantas has many more real problems than Tiger, but no one's doing anything about it.

And given that CASA has poured huge resources into this witch hunt, one might wonder what is happening to the general surveillance of flying in Australia, as even CASA's resources are not limitless.

What makes me think that this is just a huge Australian federal political thing, and as a taxpayer and traveller, I am less than impressed? Why couldn't the federal Govt just have been honest about what it was doing? And, of course, you are now all paying higher fares for domestic travel.

 

[harvyk]

Qantas has many more real problems than Tiger, but no one's doing anything about it.

since you have insider information thats better than casa, maybe you could share the real problems which qf has over tt?

 

[stryker]

since you have insider information thats better than casa, maybe you could share the real problems which qf has over tt?

I'm not going to divulge anything that might identify me on this board, but Peter Gibson and CASA know who I am.

As for Tiger, it seems that CASA (ie the Govt) has decided it's not going to allow them to fly here again, coming up with such weak arguments as possible errors in documentation.

Tiger Airways grounded | CASA finds more problems

So the only viable option is for Tiger to stop hemorrhaging money and quit Australia ASAP. In that way a cosy duopoly will be preserved and all flyers will be able to rest easy (although paying more for the privilege).

I know that many members won't agree with me, but let them ponder, if they can, whether CASA might find similar or worse errors in Qantas and Virgin's documentation.

At the end of the day, it's clearly just a witch hunt. I really don't have a problem with this, as long as the Govt is honest about what it is doing.

 

[straitman]

This whole affair, in my opinion, has been a huge ego trip for CASA's new CEO. The infractions were fairly minor and Airservices' controllers were not blameless.

The day that an aircraft flies below minima and it is 'fairly minor' is the day that I stop flying forever :!:

Breaking minimas is inexcusable.

 

[stryker]

The day that an aircraft flies below minima and it is 'fairly minor' is the day that I stop flying forever :!:

Breaking minimas is inexcusable.

Well yes, of course safety should be paramount. But I don't believe that safety was in reality compromised in these "incidents". And in any case, Airservices personnel were complicit.

And to cite minor issues (typos and the like) with flight manuals as a reason to deny an Airline from flying, that's just ridiculous. As I said before, if CASA, or better still, a competent authority, like the FAA or UK CAA, were to go through any airline's manuals looking for errors, they would undoubtedly find them.

If the Australian Govt (through its agency CASA) wishes to remove a Singapore owned airline from its shores, I would suggest that Lee Kwan Yew, et al, launch a review of Jetstar Asia.

I think the results would be interesting.

 

[harvyk]

Well yes, of course safety should be paramount. But I don't believe that safety was in reality compromised in these "incidents". And in any case, Airservices personnel were complicit.

And to cite minor issues (typos and the like) with flight manuals as a reason to deny an Airline from flying, that's just ridiculous. As I said before, if CASA, or better still, a competent authority, like the FAA or UK CAA, were to go through any airline's manuals looking for errors, they would undoubtedly find them.

If the Australian Govt (through its agency CASA) wishes to remove a Singapore owned airline from its shores, I would suggest that Lee Kwan Yew, et al, launch a review of Jetstar Asia.

I think the results would be interesting.

Typos with flight manuals stating that a plane is permitted below minimas is a minor thing? I can think of a few people (who have paid the ultimate price) who don't agree with you on that one.
As I have said earlier, TT was not grounded because an issue happened once, it was grounded because the issue happened again.

 

[stryker]

Typos with flight manuals stating that a plane is permitted below minimas is a minor thing? I can think of a few people (who have paid the ultimate price) who don't agree with you on that one.
As I have said earlier, TT was not grounded because an issue happened once, it was grounded because the issue happened again.

I guess you only read the national press, and I assume you are not a pilot or an aviation regulator.

I am or have been both (and with formal qualifications). But you already knew that.

I'd be interested to know what federal govt department you work for and what level you are, so I might be able to assess your comments more constructively.

 

[oz_mark]

As I have said earlier, TT was not grounded because an issue happened once, it was grounded because the issue happened again.

There was more to their grounding than those incidents.

 

[adampenrith]

While I certainly think there is something fishy happening, and not "just lower than minimums ......"

Its the whole Compass 1 and 2 all over again, and there are possiby VS vs BA overtones here as well.

I am very unlikely to fly Tiger before or after this situation, but whats the point of free enterprise if the red tape is tied, twisted, and used as a strangle hold on any newcomers to the market.

 

[pauly7]

I am very unlikely to fly Tiger before or after this situation, but whats the point of free enterprise if the red tape is tied, twisted, and used as a strangle hold on any newcomers to the market.

I highly doubt this is the story but I do love reading a good conspiracy theory

Next: Man on Moon

 

[mannej]

Before we say typos are minor. A typo at the wrong time has already lead to a loss of life.

I do see the potential for a conspiracy here, but I rather due diligence be played out here.

 

[harvyk]

There was more to their grounding than those incidents.

I realise that, the initial notice was issued back in March from memory, well before the below minima incidents. Thus CASA already had their eyes on TT.

Before we say typos are minor. A typo at the wrong time has already lead to a loss of life.

I do see the potential for a conspiracy here, but I rather due diligence be played out here.

I believe a typo caused the EK tail strike at MEL a couple of years back. (I haven't read the final report as yet, but from what I remember that was what the preliminary reports where suggesting, so no I don't get my info from the "300 words or less probably wrong but if it's major we'll issue a retraction in size 2 print" articles which news organisations publish, I go right to the source)
So typos in aviation can equal big problems.

I also see the potential for conspiracy, but realistically all the gov't has to do is reintroduce airline regulation (aka back to the 80's) and problem solved. TT was never a big threat to either QF \ DJ \ JQ with their 10 planes and track record for unreliability.
Given TT have been very accommodating with CASA, I'm going with there is an issue which needs to be resolved over giant gov't conspiracy.

 

[straitman]

Well yes, of course safety should be paramount. But I don't believe that safety was in reality compromised in these "incidents".

... and I believe you are wrong :!:

in any case, Airservices personnel were complicit.

Irrelevant.

I guess you only read the national press, and I assume you are not a pilot or an aviation regulator.

But I am, including being an IRE.

 

[mannej]

There were errors in flight 901's flight plan, that is my reference.

Sorry Stryker, as much as you name drop Peter Gibson etc, you still hide under anonymity, so I don't see how you can be questioning others credibility on these issues?

 

[nlagalle]

Well I am sitting here in the J lounge and just noticed a Tiger A320 taking off!! Are they doing check flights perhaps?

 

[harvyk]

Tiger International (I think their code is TR as apose to TT) is still allowed to fly as it's a different company and thus not subject to CASA's current actions.

 

[nlagalle]

Tiger International (I think their code is TR as apose to TT) is still allowed to fly as it's a different company and thus not subject to CASA's current actions.

It's an A320 for a start (can't see that flying to SIN) and there are no Tiger flights scheduled according to Melbourne airport INT departures

 

[mannej]

It's an A320 for a start (can't see that flying to SIN) and there are no Tiger flights scheduled according to Melbourne airport INT departures

I am fairly sure Tiger (all operations) only operate A320's.

 

[oz_mark]

Tiger International (I think their code is TR as apose to TT) is still allowed to fly as it's a different company and thus not subject to CASA's current actions.

As far as I was aware TR only flew to Perth, out of the Australian cities.

Melbourne Airport website has a few Tiger flights listed to various places, with all sorts of flight numbers in the 5000's and 8000's.