Depressurisation event at MEL today?

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Praise to the captain. He came out on landing and reassured folk/ answered questions. The cabin crew were a little absent, during event they were invisible and once we got to 10000ft, seemed spooked but did the walk to check for panicked passengers.
Thanks for your first hand report, John. The cabin crew would have been seated with oxygen masks on during the decent to 10,000 feet as per their training and operating procedures.
 
Re: "exciting" status credit run

Perhaps QF can stump up some additional SCs and Points to compensate for the excitement :)
 
Re: "exciting" status credit run

2 thoughts come to mind.

1. Never have an operation you do not require. Similarly, never take a flight you do not need to take. Surely QF would have given you the Plat re-qualification without acquiring those 15 SCs. Did you even ask them?
2. The Qantas fleet is now so old now. CASA should make it compulsory for airlines to list the years of service (or the amount of rotations) each aircraft has undertaken prior to ticket purchase.
 
Re: "exciting" status credit run

2 thoughts come to mind.

1. Never have an operation you do not require. Similarly, never take a flight you do not need to take. Surely QF would have given you the Plat re-qualification without acquiring those 15 SCs. Did you even ask them?
QF are not known for their leniency on this WRT partner gold. Note it was to try and achieve partner gold i believe, not WP. AS the OP was trying to "get the missus back up to gold", you could argue it was essential travel. :rolleyes:

2. The Qantas fleet is now so old now. CASA should make it compulsory for airlines to list the years of service (or the amount of rotations) each aircraft has undertaken prior to ticket purchase.

There are plenty of older aircraft that are in better shape than some new ones. Age is not the only factor. I'd rather fly a 20yo QF 763 than a 5yu Garuda A330.

Also, #2 is at worst, unworkable, at best, very very messy. What happens when you buy a ticket on (say) a 5you 738, and it has a fault and the only "spare" is a 20yo 734? The only alternative is not to fly......
 
Apparently it was TJH, which Qantas inherited from Australian Airlines.
 
Oh yeah, go NoNews.

From the front page:
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Oh yeah, go NoNews.

From the front page:
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:rolleyes:

If you heard the ATSB interview on the AM this morning, thats a fair call by news as far as what the report says, a typo that did bring down a jet - MK1602 in Halifax in 2004. This accident is used in the ATSB report.
 
If you heard the ATSB interview on the AM this morning, thats a fair call by news as far as what the report says, a typo that did bring down a jet - MK1602 in Halifax in 2004. This accident is used in the ATSB report.

I was more referring to the association of today's incident with the article :)
 
If you heard the ATSB interview on the AM this morning, thats a fair call by news as far as what the report says, a typo that did bring down a jet - MK1602 in Halifax in 2004. This accident is used in the ATSB report.

Bit of a change of topic. Finger trouble always has been, and always will be, an inherent problem in aviation. Of course you can design the pilots out, but then you generate an entirely new and different bunch of problems. I haven't read the report, but two local(ish) events that were quite major...Emirates A340 in Melbourne, and Singair 744 at Auckland.
 
Well Ch 7 news (MEL) took a fair dig tonight. Forgetting the rest, which was mix of facts and sensationalism, what got me was a graphic of the plane flying normally then going into a very steep nosedive, simultaneously spinning round side to side on it's axis i.e. looking (to my inexperienced eye) totally out of control.

Now I've never been in or seen one of these rapid descents but I'd be mightily surprised if this was not an extreme distortion of the truth (and very mischievous if so).
 
I watched all the news tonight............gee, I wanted to vomit. Nonews.com.au loves thier big buzzwords like 'plunge' don't they? And of course they have to go over every Qantas incident again as well.

Meanwhile, 35 people die at Russia's biggest airport and it is relegated to a less important story.
 
Meanwhile, 35 people die at Russia's biggest airport and it is relegated to a less important story.
Which goes to show that the trip to and from the airport can be the most dangerous part of the journey. In my opinion, the Moscow bombing is a much more serious concern as its caused by something that cannot be easily predicted or controlled.
 
Now I've never been in or seen one of these rapid descents but I'd be mightily surprised if this was not an extreme distortion of the truth (and very mischievous if so).

Well, as someone who was there, for what was probably the most 'major' depressurisation, world wide, in recent years...pitch never exceeded -3°, and bank, about 5°, increasing to 25° when we decided to turn off track.

The aircraft don't wallow about the sky...though perhaps they would if driven by reporters.
 
Now I've never been in or seen one of these rapid descents but I'd be mightily surprised if this was not an extreme distortion of the truth (and very mischievous if so).

Like everything in the aviation world, there are degrees. There are rapid descents and a million variations of....

Basically, you start with a healthy aircraft that for some reason decides to instantly depressurise at F400. The response (beyond the crew putting on their own oxygen masks, and doing a few other coughpit items), is to get the aircraft descending at max mach number/ias, idle, and max speed brake. Descent rates will be large (8000 fpm), and you'll be at the bottom in the minimum time.

Great. But is that a realistic scenario? Of course not. If the aircraft lost all the air that fast, it has to come from somewhere, so....

The next variation...

The air went away really fast...so there must be a big hole, so the structure may be in doubt. Now you'll use max speedbrake (as you always will), but the IAS will be limited to, well, what's a good idea? The speed you were at is always a good start point. But, less speed means less rate of descent, which means the cabin is higher for longer....

And in the middle....

What if, during the second example, you get an indication of a total loss of crew oxygen. Now, you are faced with the choice of risking the structure, whilst ensuring there is someone to drive it.

They are the real emergency descents.

Then there are a whole range of other scenarios in which it would be a good idea to go to 10,000 feet soon, but without huge urgency.

There are a million variations.
 
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Two things in regards to news.com.au

1) Has anyone noticed the standard blurb at the bottom now- seems cut and paste every article- I.e shocking run since the A380 incident

And

2) they mentioned the 09 tailstrike at MEL but they conveniently left out that it was indeed Emirates who was involved...


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Well on the Tassie news it sounds like a completely different event-qantas plane drops 10000 feet.Soon after leaving Adelaide the plane was shaking and rocking,people were thrown from their seats and food and drink was spilt throughout the cabin.Well it is Tasmania.:p
 
Another thank you to jb747. While I believe I am a person who remains calm during a crisis, it is the fear of and during aviation incidents of the unknown and lack of control that spooks many. Knowledge is powerful, something I'm glad that you often share in many of your comments.

It's unfortunate regarding the media portrayal of such situations but I believe more concerning the amount of individuals that pick up such garbage as gospel. The average punter need not be so stupid if it were not for their intellectual laziness. I am not well travelled enough (!) nor experienced in life to know if that's merely a perceived generalisation on my behalf or if it is prevalent throughout various cultures/classes/demographics.

My experience of in-air incidents and those pre-recorded message loops are you can quickly tell the the frequent to occasional flyers apart. Also row 25 on a 734 ADL-MEL certain gets some interesting characters crammed into it.
 
Like jbryan5, I work to keep PartnerJohnM PG, but nothing so exciting for me on a PG status run so far - and I'm doing some very soon.

As they forewarn in the safety briefing: "In the UNLIKELY event of cabin depressurisation...".

If something like this were to happen to me, I know that I'd want to be on QF and not on a potentially dodgy LCC or third world carrier.

Not taking away from the seriousness of the matter, but can jbryan5 answer the niggling question: did the masks really deliver oxygen or just muffle the screams?
 
I'm confused. The AC units on all 737s are internal recycle units. Can someone who actually knows, tell me, how this could have caused depressurization. I am presently in QLD with a commercial pilot who is also asking the same question.
 
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