Qantas Club vs. Status Club - should a purchased membership have any status?

Purchased QP memberships should have zero status - give lounge access only.

  • Agree

    Votes: 46 28.4%
  • Disagree

    Votes: 116 71.6%

  • Total voters
    162
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munitalP

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Not wanting to start too big a bushfire, but...

I don't think a Qantas Club membership purchased should have any status privilege attached except lounge access. (Status privilege such as priority boarding, seat choices etc...)

All the moaning and groaning about loosing privilege due to watering down benefits in the latest round of changes - a simple solution, fly more.


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*DUCKS & runs for cover*
 
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Sorry, can't really agree.

Qantas has actively marketed certain aspects of Qantas Club, which includes priority check-in.

But I don't know why people are worried. A paid QP member is hardly going to "steal" a WP/SG's upgrade request priority, and of course they have limited reciprocity with other airlines.
 
I can see this poll being closed before it even gets going.

I assume by status you mean things like priority boarding, weight allowances etc?

I think they should retain the benefits they have now.
 
I can see this poll being closed before it even gets going.

I assume by status you mean things like priority boarding, weight allowances etc?

I think they should retain the benefits they have now.

Why would it be closed? Asking a valid question of other members - it is also anonymous so voters don't need to explain their reasoning.
 
I’d agree that Qantas Club in itself refers to access to Qantas Clubs, so that’s what it should be. It doesn’t really give status now, as what you’re seeing is priority checkin in a Qantas Club line, which is a line for Qantas Club members… they just happen to double that line with Business in most cases.

Plus, the arguments right now about about privileges being taken away. Right now I suppose I should be upset, as I bought a 2 year Qantas Club membership that included as a benefit, access to priority checkin Qantas Club lines… while soon it will be taken away. So the argument is that you’ve paid for something and wont be getting it anymore. It’s a valid argument.

However I think the only reason Qantas offers things in addition to lounge access, is that they couldn’t sell it as well if it was just lounge access. They think now though that they shall with the removal of priority checkin, I’m sure they’ve done their research there.
 
I tend to agree with Sam, QP membership hardly gives any status (Lounge access aside).
There is no advance seat selection, no extra points for status bonus, no lounge access apart from QF/JQ/AA/BA, and now they lose priority check in and suffer in regards (arguably) to the new baggage allowances. Heck it seems that QF are making QP members pay for baggage tags. As you can see you can hardly compare the status benefits of a WP compared to a QP member.

The solution you propose is not always the problem. There are those who purchase it for the benefits when flying locally, but are bound to who they fly with internationally. Not everyone gets the luxury of going OW/QF to get status, so I feel that QP members have every right to be unhappy with the changes, as much as WP, SG, PS etc etc.
 
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I think perhaps the premise of your position is slightly wrong. I'll explain why I think that based on my memory and vague recollection of my relationship with paid QC membership - point being that my recollections could very well be proven wrong by the facts.

When I purchase my QC membership in 1996, maybe a bit after it started but in the early days and before there was status, I recall it being marketed as making your flying experience more enjoyable, giving you that extra bit at the airport before the flight commenced. For me the benefits given match that marketing, priority check in and lounge access, even if they are being removed. So philosophically the benefits match the idea of making life easier at the airport before you journey.

I don't see anything wrong with the question. But should we also ask if members think that lounge access should be taken from the statused (revert to what it used to be) for a reverse reason that the status is only about when one is in the air and that they should buy lounge access if that is what they want? :rolleyes: BTW that is a sarcastic, rhetorical question - no need to dignify it with a response. the answer is NO
 
The only reason why l purchased QC membership (through a corporate discount mind you), was for lounge access. The extra 10kg was a bonus (as l usually try to pack as light as possible).

I voted "disagree", because as tuapekastar said below, it's sold/marketed as a "package" (well, used to be).
 
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Here we go again. :)

I think the proposal is based on the incorrect premise that paying for "Qantas Club" membership somehow logically equates to accessing the "Qantas Club" lounge, and nothing else. It doesn't.

QC membership is sold as a package with certain benefits attached, including lounge access. It's a 'Club' membership, not a 'lounge' membership. It just happens to include lounge access.

Anyone is entitled to an opinion (why, some have even suggested that SG/WP should not be offered complimentary Qantas Club membership a la the Admirals Club - not that I agree - and that they should just be happy with the other non-lounge benefits they have, many of which are superior to what paid QP members get, or else pay for lounge access), but it does not usually make any difference to the status quo. Some would say, "SG/WP want lounge access? A simple solution, pay for it." :p (That is not my opinion by the way, just illustrating an alternative way of looking at the issue raised by the OP)

Whilst I'll form a firmer opinion when I see NGCI in action, I do not at this stage agree with the removal of priority domestic checkin benefits for paid QP members (or Silvers for that matter), or of any others unless replaced/offset by something at least equivalent (whatever that may entail). It is also a 'point of difference' between PS/QP and NB/non-members, which is seemingly going to be removed.

The Qantas Club memberships are sold with certain benefits attached, and the 'moaning and groaning' referred to are legitimate concerns expressed by people who paid for something, and are now having it taken away (which I've no doubt QF is quite entitled to do).

Now I'll go and cast my secret vote. ;)

PS. Is the poll really open until June? I can't wait that long for a result...:shock:
 
I voted agree!

However..... I think that COULD apply for NEW memberships only.

I do not think it is fair to have ANY benefits removed from anyone who has purchased OR earned QC or Status.

My 2cents worth.
 
I know when I purchased my life membership back in 1999 it wasn't just for lounge access as I was flying infrequently - it was for the package offered of additional luggage allowance, priority boarding, bringing a guest with me, and IIRC anytime access.

If I look at what it offers me now I can get a better food selection from the food courts in most terminals, and although it might cost $20 for something to eat it is a damn sight cheaper than the thousands of dollars the club membership cost :(
 
When I purchased life QC membership in ?2002, it was sold to me as a package that included QC access with 2 guests, priority checkin and extra (?10kg) luggage....obviously, from a business point of view, selling life membership to youngish people just didn't make good business sense as I potentialy had 30+ years of its use left (no wonder that QF have removed this option)...having said that, I have been QF Gold / Platinum for the last 6-7 years, so I haven't got much use from my QC life membership....I suspect in the next 7-10 years, I will make lifetime QF Gold unless QF move the goal posts so QF may have had the last lough on this.

That reminds me, I must make more use of the Plat "anytime access" before it disappears...I think I have used it 6 times since the announcement that it will disappear from Feb 1st 2011...makes feel a lot better!!:shock:
 
...why, some have even suggested that SG/WP should not be offered complimentary Qantas Club membership a la the Admirals Club..
Seems a fair coment to me. Keep those flying riff raff out :p
QF Club paid members should have unrestricted access.

QC is a package of benefits, not just lounge access.
Disagree.

My answer to the question: Disagree
Before FFP's you got what you paid for:- access & benefits.
I effectivelly pay $100 per visit to the QF lounges. Most of my recents trips have been in Bus where lounge access was complimentry

Count at this time
Agree 5 --- 22.73%
Disagree 17 -- 77.27%
 
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munitalP - what the heck were you smoking when you made that post? Either you were seriously high, or the fumes from the 5th alarm bushfire you were deliberately starting were already affecting your hippocampus :p

Let's look at this on raw cost of the QP membership, which is 805 inc. GST for the first year including the joining fee (from memory approx AUD200).

This amount is obviously less for those who are members of a corporate or association program, Government employees, and other groups with arrangements for a reduced rate - but for the purpose of this argument let's just assume the public price.

On your suggestion, the ~600/yr they spend would only get them access to the actual club.

It should be noted that none of the items you've stated in the original post are afforded to someone on account of QP membership.

Looking at what you propose and depending on their QFF membership level, they would lose the following:

QPNB

  • Priority checkin (Domestic going at completion of NGCI anyway, international remains)
  • ODU
  • Priority reservations and wait-listing
  • Priority baggage & increased allowances
QPPS

  • ODU
  • What they would lost as a QPNB, they would pick up again by virtue of current PS benefits, including Domestic Priority check-in
Now, without the actual numbers of QP members across the different QFF tiers, it's hard to make a solid financial argument on the points raised.

I would however based on my understanding of talking to other paid members put forward the following counterpoints to your proposal:

Current benefit offering costs nothing

The benefits you'd suggest withdrawing already cost the airline two fifths of nothing, and are provided within the existing technological/systems/process framework.

If they can do it, and get more revenue through lounge memberships and increased line revenue - why not provide these benefits as a small and cheap enticement to part with hard currency.

Reduced liabilities on balance sheet

The ability to redeem QFF points as ODU's in the QP also helps the airline, as it reduces their liabilities by allowing more rapid redemption of points balances.

Assists in creating brand preference, and revenue positive outcomes

I would however hazard a guess that while those who are QPNB don't fly as much as they might want, their QP membership keeps them loyal to QF and away from other carriers as much as possible.

Opportunities to increase revenue

The ability of QP members to access ODUs allows the airline to provide a better service experience, paid for out of the points value redeemed for these upgrades, in seats that weren't occupied anyway.

By allowing the ODU's this can potentially show off the higher service class experience, giving customers greater information and enticement to consider paid tickets in a higher cabin class - and of course more mainline revenue if the flyer isn't already committing all their current travel to QF.

Subsidises lounge operations

Let's be honest, paid QP members subsidise the lounge for SG, WP and other high tier FFP members in the Oneworld alliance.

By offering paid memberships, and providing low/no-cost benefits for parting with your hard earned dollars, QF can guarantee a steady revenue stream which keeps paying passengers happy - and provides the upper tiers a lounge space too.


In short, you must have been smoking something serious to even suggest this. It goes against all foreseeable logic, common sense, possibly financial sense, and the general community view around these parts anyway.

Take two tablets, and call us back in the morning :D
 
Subsidises lounge operations

Let's be honest, paid QP members subsidise the lounge for SG, WP and other high tier FFP members in the Oneworld alliance.

It could be argued that on the way to reaching SG and WP status, your paying for the lounge through the ticket itself


Hypothetical below
Ticket might be $100 ~ (example)

$40 fuel
$20 profit
$10 for federal government something-or-other???
$10 GST
$10 airport fee/tax (for security/airport upkeep etc etc)
$6 for the in-flight meal + drinks/snack
$4 lounge assistance fee
 
It could be argued that on the way to reaching SG and WP status, your paying for the lounge through the ticket itself

I don't think an example is needed to agree with this point if we accept a basic premise that qantas has done the sums. Qantas has decided/calculated if you pay $X or fly Y or Z SCs then you get QC membership.

Going another step down the slippery slope. I don't think it is too much of a leap to suggest that priority checkin for WP and SG might have originally arisen by virtue of their free QC membership. (not that I know, so facts could prove my suggestion wrong) ;)
 
It could be argued that on the way to reaching SG and WP status, your paying for the lounge through the ticket itself.

I tend to agree. I don't think that many SG/WP qualify for those FF tiers by flying around the Golden Triangle on $100 Red-e-deals. In my experience, they earn QFF status by traveling long distances in J and F. (As opposed to miles-based tiers in other programs). These high-yield tickets subsidise fares for those who travel in steerage, and support fancy ground facilities like the QP, and those lovely Flounges at SYD and MEL.

Anyhoo, I'd like to think that a decent percentage of QP members would fail to renew their membership in response to the latest "enhancements", and let QF know their opinion. QF, however, seem to either think ya'll will just cop it sweet, or they don't really care if they have paid members or not!
 
munitalP - what the heck were you smoking when you made that post? Either you were seriously high, or the fumes from the 5th alarm bushfire you were deliberately starting were already affecting your hippocampus :p

In short, you must have been smoking something serious to even suggest this. It goes against all foreseeable logic, common sense, possibly financial sense, and the general community view around these parts anyway.

Take two tablets, and call us back in the morning :D

Due to my many visits to mine sites and secure government installations, the only thing I get to smoke is the olive oil on the BBQ before I throw on a couple of eyes for dinner! ;)

Looking at what you propose and depending on their QFF membership level, they would lose the following:

QPNB
Priority checkin (Domestic going at completion of NGCI anyway, international remains)
ODU
Priority reservations and wait-listing
Priority baggage & increased allowances

ummm yeah. that pretty much sums it up

I am surprised at the poll results so far though..




munitalp (thats PLATINUM backwards BTW)




:)





Hides from thewinchester hoping he's not packing his namesake!
 
... QF, however, seem to either think ya'll will just cop it sweet, or they don't really care if they have paid members or not!
Maybe that's it ...

... munitilP perhaps you have cottoned on to QF's strategy, maybe soon they'll remove access to paid lounge membership?

Wanna access a lounge with no status? Buy Business class ...
 
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