I'm feeling a bit sad ...[My SC's are getting wiped today... =( ]

[JohnK]

there’s always been talk of how much you’d have to spend or how many SC’s you’d have to earn to be bestowed CL… but if it’s really as bad as this, and lets face it, they aren’t that great, I don’t understand why people bother. They don’t deserve the income if they don’t care.

When you finally land your first job and are in charge of $1M+ travel budget for your department then QF may bestow Chairmans Lounge upon you.

 

[Oneworldplus2]

Sam, LH does have a "super" top tier level.
600,000 BIS miles flown in a 2 year period = LH HON CIRCLE MEMBER

Miles & More - Miles & More status levels

Now, should QF have a "super/above" WP "achievable" level? (I don't know and even if I did, l wouldn't qualify for it.)

 

[anat0l]

Sam, LH does have a "super" top tier level.
600,000 BIS miles flown in a 2 year period = LH HON CIRCLE MEMBER

It's actually 600,000 HON Circle miles. You can earn more HON Circle miles by flying in premium than you do in Economy, so you don't necessarily have to fly 600,000 BIS miles. Of course, if you fly discount Economy, you might have to fly a lot more than 600,000 BIS miles to qualify for HON!

In any case, there's a huge amount of travel (BIS miles, time and money) required to attain HON Circle. It's a significant step up from Senator, which is 100,000 status miles in one year (but status lasts for two years; status miles can be earned on both LH group & *A flights, but HON Circle miles can only be earned on LH group flights).


Doing a "simple extension" / analogy on QF, if QF were to create a similar rank to HON Circle... HON Circle qualification in one year is 300,000 HON Circle miles (to assume half in each calculated year), which is three times that of SEN. So perhaps something like 4200 SCs (3600 SCs to requalify) in a year, but you can only count flights flown (marketed and operated) by QF and JQ. Still seems like a low target to create such a rank, but this is just an approximation.

Of course, this rank system doesn't make much sense because in the LH program there are only 2 tiers below HON; in the QF system there would be 3 (i.e. 4 ranks overall, not counting the special CL rank). I won't go into what kind of headache that causes.

 

[Warks]

To avoid starting a new thread I thought I'd post this query here. I just noticed that:

Current Status: Silver
Status reassessment will occur: 31 Oct 2011

With my anniversary still six weeks away I am likely to make SG in that time (45 SCs to go). However why does it say status reassessment will occur in 2011? Does this mean they've given me PS (big woop!) for another year? My QP membership isn't due until March 2011 so Gold will give me a bit of respite on paying for that.

 

[Oneworldplus2]

Doing a "simple extension" / analogy on QF, if QF were to create a similar rank to HON Circle... HON Circle qualification in one year is 300,000 HON Circle miles (to assume half in each calculated year), which is three times that of SEN. So perhaps something like 4200 SCs (3600 SCs to requalify) in a year, but you can only count flights flown (marketed and operated) by QF and JQ. Still seems like a low target to create such a rank, but this is just an approximation.

I don't think that 4200 or 3600 SC in "one year" is a low figure. Would be pretty much impossible to get in discount whY or whY. So, if flying J or F to get that number, you'd get 99% of the benefits anyways. If that's the case, then there really isn't any need for a "uber tier" would there? Sure the odd whY flight here and there, but the majority would have to be in J or F to get above 3000SC (for example), so what would a higher level be able to offer? CL Lounge access? Limo service?

 

[oz_mark]

To avoid starting a new thread I thought I'd post this query here. I just noticed that:
With my anniversary still six weeks away I am likely to make SG in that time (45 SCs to go). However why does it say status reassessment will occur in 2011? Does this mean they've given me PS (big woop!) for another year? My QP membership isn't due until March 2011 so Gold will give me a bit of respite on paying for that.

Sounds like you had already got the SC's to renew at silver, so they have extended it for another year. Presumably your new silver card has been ordered etc, and will be soon in the mail to you. When you get to gold, they will send you another card for that.

My year ends at the end of October, and once again I have to get the SC's - no early renewal for me. Last year I ended up on exactly 600 for the year - this year I am looking at around 610 by the end of October :shock:

 

[Ikara]

Having been bumped from WP to (Lifetime) Gold at my review date of 31st August - although it did take them some 5 days into September to change my status on my account - I'm still waiting for a new card. I would have thought that nearly three weeks into September would have seen it arrive!

I guess I'll just have to wait - luckilly I'm not travelling anywhere where I'd need to show my card for entry to a club!

JB

 

[anat0l]

I don't think that 4200 or 3600 SC in "one year" is a low figure. Would be pretty much impossible to get in discount whY or whY. So, if flying J or F to get that number, you'd get 99% of the benefits anyways. If that's the case, then there really isn't any need for a "uber tier" would there? Sure the odd whY flight here and there, but the majority would have to be in J or F to get above 3000SC (for example), so what would a higher level be able to offer? CL Lounge access? Limo service?

I guess you've hit the mark. Going O/T here.........

QF already has three member tiers; adding another one is probably useless, unless it embraces some rather novel benefits.

FWIW LH HON compared to LH SEN there is a good degree of separation, but some of the "benefits" are either ones that we are used to as WPs or we won't get in a lifetime with QFF. For example:

• Limo transfer from tarmac positions, both departing and arriving, at FRA and MUC. We don't have any "tarmac positions" at SYD or MEL, and the F lounge is connected to the terminal proper.
• 6 upgrade vouchers cf. 2 for SEN. QFF doesn't have elite upgrade instruments, period.
• Access to FCT when travelling on any LH Group flight in any class (cf. any other member must be travelling LH Group F). QF WPs can already access any F Lounge in the world and they don't have to be travelling F (exception: the non-oneworld BA CCR).
• Personal assistant in attendance at cities served by LH. I don't see QF doing this, period, except if you are a CL and only in SYD and perhaps MEL.
• HON priority tags; often, HON bags will be delivered separately in a cordoned area, similar to Oversize Baggage (and probably spotted by your PA before you). This can happen at outstations as well as LH home ports. Personally, if SYD and MEL could actually deliver a single piece of luggage on the belt in less than 20 minutes after disembarkation, then that already is a significant achievement.

Other benefits in the LH program which are not in the QF program - such as mileage overdraw, fixed cost Any Seat Awards and 50% companion awards - are available to SEN members anyway. In the old (better) days, HON members received a very generous Executive Bonus compared to FTLs and SENs (it is now standardised across all three tiers at 25%), plus HONs were able to overdraw more mileage than SENs. QF WPs already get a fairly generous mileage bonus, and I can't see them offering any of the other said benefits, even at an uber tier.

In short, LH HON and SEN are quite different and offer a good degree of separation. QF WP and an uber tier probably won't unless QF really thinks of some novel stuff, especially since, as you said, to achieve a said uber tier would involve a lot of premium travel, where one garners a lot of "benefits" of status anyway.

 

[Australian]

hmmm when you are 'downgraded' (eg, you 'auto-slide' from 2010 Gold> 2011 Silver) ... is the basis for re qualification the 'retain' rate or the 'new' rate.

for example:

During 2009, you earn 700 SC ... throughout 2010 = Gold
During 2010, you earn 250 SC ... throughout 2011 = ("Demoted" to) Silver

During 2011, what's needed to either retain/maintain gold or silver (ie, 2012)?!?! This always confuses me!!! 700/350? or 600/300??

thx

(i guess what i'm asking is do the 'complimentary' status years have the same basis as bone fide 'earned' years ... could you go WP>SG>NB, for example, assuming you earned nothing in your 'complimentary' SG year, sliding out of WP?)

 

[oz_mark]

During 2009, you earn 700 SC ... throughout 2010 = Gold
During 2010, you earn 250 SC ... throughout 2011 = ("Demoted" to) Silver

During 2011, what's needed to either retain/maintain gold or silver (ie, 2012)?!?! This always confuses me!!! 700/350? or 600/300??

If you are silver, regardless of how you got there, it is 300 to requalify, and 700 to go up to gold.

 

[anat0l]

hmmm when you are 'downgraded' (eg, you 'auto-slide' from 2010 Gold> 2011 Silver) ... is the basis for re qualification the 'retain' rate or the 'new' rate.

for example:

During 2009, you earn 700 SC ... throughout 2010 = Gold
During 2010, you earn 250 SC ... throughout 2011 = ("Demoted" to) Silver

During 2011, what's needed to either retain/maintain gold or silver (ie, 2012)?!?! This always confuses me!!! 700/350? or 600/300??

(i guess what i'm asking is do the 'complimentary' status years have the same basis as bone fide 'earned' years ... could you go WP>SG>NB, for example, assuming you earned nothing in your 'complimentary' SG year, sliding out of WP?)

A simple way to decide is determine whether the status that you want is higher, equal or lower (!) than your current status. If the answer is 'higher', then you need to get the Qualify (higher) amount of SCs before your reassessment date. If the answer is not 'higher', then you only need to get the Retain amount.

For example, if you lose WP and go back to SG in your new year, then if you want to get WP again (WP is higher than your current SG status), you will need to obtain 1400 SC. However, since you are now a SG, if you only want to maintain SG (i.e. the same status as you have now) then you only need 600 SC.

Oddly enough, the fear of losing WP and having to get 1400 SC to get it back (i.e. a sizeable 200 SC more than the Retain amount) is something which keeps me on my toes about my status:!: (Well, at least whilst I can still think about it...)

 

[whughes3]

Oddly enough, the fear of losing WP and having to get 1400 SC to get it back (i.e. a sizeable 200 SC more than the Retain amount) is something which keeps me on my toes about my status:!: (Well, at least whilst I can still think about it...)

My sentiments exactly!

 

[markis10]

I think a lot of people overlook the benefit of extra points as a WP and what they are worth, I know I did when I dropped back to SG. Those extra 50000 to 100000 points gained as a WP can be very easily converted to 600-700 SCs!

 

[Ikara]

Well......we've got one card. Mrs Ikara was bumped from Gold to Silver at the end of August in line with my bump from Platinum to Gold. Her new Silver card arrived in today's post. A nice touch though was complimentary QP membership until the end of November and a Guest Pass , valid until Aug next year. As she is travelling in October the extra comped membership will be a real benefit - and appreciated.
JB

 

[drewbles]

My sentiments exactly!

And mine too, considering those 200 SC's are almost 60% of the requirement to *attain* PS.

Now i've reached WP (slid in easily around 1700SC's last October), I'm not in a rush to be demoted to SG (until I hit LTG in around 5-6 years at my current rate of flying).

It does hurt seeing that -1200SC+ note on your FF statement once a year, but at the same time, the corresponding increase on the LTS section is good

 

[pauly7]

My SC's are getting wiped today... =(

Well......we've got one card. Mrs Ikara was bumped from Gold to Silver at the end of August in line with my bump from Platinum to Gold. Her new Silver card arrived in today's post. A nice touch though was complimentary QP membership until the end of November and a Guest Pass , valid until Aug next year. As she is travelling in October the extra comped membership will be a real benefit - and appreciated.
JB

At least your slow descent back into the great unwashed has been softened a bit

 

[VirginiaF]

My partner's points expire on 31 October. To retain PS, another 160 SCs are required, which we will do by a SYD-AKL return on LAN J but we must "fly a minimum four eligible flight segments on Qantas".

We have already booked a SYD-ADE for two eligible segments.

The question is, can we just buy another 2 sectors from the current Qantas sale, say two one way SYD-CFS sectors, and not actually board, or do we need boarding passes to be issued?

 

[straitman]

My SC's are getting wiped today... =(

My partner's points expire on 31 October. To retain PS, another 160 SCs are required, which we will do by a SYD-AKL return on LAN J but we must "fly a minimum four eligible flight segments on Qantas".

We have already booked a SYD-ADE for two eligible segments.

The question is, can we just buy another 2 sectors from the current Qantas sale, say two one way SYD-CFS sectors, and not actually board, or do we need boarding passes to be issued?

You need to travel.




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[medhead]

We have already booked a SYD-ADE for two eligible segments.

The question is, can we just buy another 2 sectors from the current Qantas sale, say two one way SYD-CFS sectors, and not actually board, or do we need boarding passes to be issued?

You could look at flying SYD-ADL via MEL, depending on the cost involved.

 

[medhead]

When you finally land your first job and are in charge of $1M+ travel budget for your department then QF may bestow Chairmans Lounge upon you.

Indeed and that $1M is going to buy a much more than 5000SC. Just they won't be going into the account of the Bronze CL member. :shock: