No help from BA: Seriously injured, in intensive care and can't cancel ticket - and

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Now, privacy and data protection laws exist for a good reason. However, if this story as reported is accurate, I think BA and potentially other European airlines need to rethink their policies on how they deal with situations where it's impossible to talk to the customer.

BA refused to alter holiday of intensive care crash victim 'as he couldn't call'
By Andy Bloxham, Telegraph.co.uk, Published: 7:30AM BST 04 May 2010

British Airways refused to give a car crash victim who was in intensive care a refund for his dream holiday because he could not call them himself, his family claimed.

Robert Bates, 22, booked a trip to Orlando, in Florida, as a birthday present for his girlfriend five weeks before he was seriously injured in a car crash.

When his family tried to cancel the booking to get Mr Bates another holiday when he had recovered, they said BA cited "data protection" rules and claimed staff said they could not do it unless he called them.

BA agreed to offer further assistance to the family after they contacted a local newspaper.

Mr Bates, a supermarket worker, was due to fly with his fiancee Harriet Tutton at the end of April to celebrate her 20th birthday.

The £2,000 trip was ruined when a car accident in March left them both with serious injuries.

Miss Tutton - who suffered a perforated ear drum and a broken pelvis in the crash - said: "They weren't apologetic at all. They just didn't want to speak to us - only to Rob even though he's in intensive care."

The textiles student has been keeping a bedside vigil for her boyfriend at the University Hospital of Wales in Cardiff since the crash.

Mr Bates, of Barry, South Wales, cannot speak and his condition is described as stable but critical.
 
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I assume that they have adequate travel insurance that will cover them in this instance.
 
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Wouldn't it be nice if sometimes a big corporate looked into something themselves and just took the compasionate view. It wouldn't really have taken that much for someone to check the poor guy was in hospital and seriously injured after the family had made contact.

Airlines, insurance companies and banks always seem to wait until the media gets involved.
 
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Now, privacy and data protection laws exist for a good reason. However, if this story as reported is accurate, I think BA and potentially other European airlines need to rethink their policies on how they deal with situations where it's impossible to talk to the customer.

A quick over-ready reliance on 'data protection laws' is an easy way to avoid issues - and to cause people even more grief. I agree that once appraised of the situation it would not have taken BA much effort to check, presuming of course that the hospital in question would even ackbowledge that the young man was in their intensive care ward under their own 'data protection' and 'patient privacy' guidelines!
 
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A case where rigid adherence to guidelines has caused a failure of common sense.
 
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A case where rigid adherence to guidelines has caused a failure of common sense.

Unfortunately, all too often GOOD sense is not that common an occurence!:(
 
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Sorry but BA didnt have an option here. It is the law that prevents the sharing of information. BA can't decide to just break the law "when they feel it is a good common sense case".

Also BA don't have systems designed to deal with this - how many spurious attempts do they get each day to circumvent fare rules - they would have to investigate them all. What happens when someone picks up an itinerary off a photocopier and makes a claim like this for a joke - do they send call centre staff to every one?
 
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Sorry but BA didnt have an option here. It is the law that prevents the sharing of information. BA can't decide to just break the law "when they feel it is a good common sense case".

+1

How would you feel if some random rang up and cancelled your booking (not saying that his family are randoms but you get my point)


Josh:p
 
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Re: No help from BA: Seriously injured, in intensive care and can't cancel ticket - a

Sorry but BA didnt have an option here. It is the law that prevents the sharing of information. BA can't decide to just break the law "when they feel it is a good common sense case".

Also BA don't have systems designed to deal with this - how many spurious attempts do they get each day to circumvent fare rules - they would have to investigate them all. What happens when someone picks up an itinerary off a photocopier and makes a claim like this for a joke - do they send call centre staff to every one?
But surely they could ask whoever rang to present themselves to a BA office with proof of who they claimed to be plus a letter from hospital/treating doctor.Basically very little extra costs to BA,doesn't break the law and would weed out most of those trying one on.
Just an aside had an incident here in Devonport that not as serious but the Spirit of Tasmania people handled it absolutely beautifully.
 
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Sorry but BA didnt have an option here. It is the law that prevents the sharing of information. BA can't decide to just break the law "when they feel it is a good common sense case".

Well yes and no... True, they do need to follow the law, but then have processes in place to deal with exceptional circumstances.

A quick phonecall to the hospital confirming if a patient is present or not breaks no privacy laws and only takes 30 seconds.

Besides, if it was a prankster, they would simply say it was their booking which they where cancelling, far easier than coming up with some elaborate ruse.
 
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A quick phonecall to the hospital confirming if a patient is present or not breaks no privacy laws and only takes 30 seconds.

Wouldn't privacy laws prevent the hospitals from providing any such confirmation?

Privacy laws have some unintended consequences.
 
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It seems to me that the airline acted absolutely correctly

The person phoning was not the passenger, nor even would seem to be actually travelling with the passenger. The Data protection act of 1984 is a very well defined piece of legislation to protect data and Australia could do with something similar imo.

Even if seriously injured, it is not unreasonable to expect the airline to speak to the passenger. e.g. the other party could ring from the hospital to do the change ( if fare rules permit ) and let the airline speak to injured passenger to verify identity and confirm that he is happy for the person to do changes for him

With the description of injuries, it doesn't sound like he would be unable to speak
 
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I agree with Dave, there seems to be no evidence of anything but phone calls that could have been made by anyone, nor is there any info on the fare conditions or what travel insurance was held, if any. Surely a Doctor could provide a certificate of proof should it have been requested, sadly such stories are often lacking in the very detail that enables the truth to be told.

I am sure if it was one of us that had a flight cancelled by a prankster claiming that they were ringing on our behalf we would be very unhappy with the airline!
 
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+1

How would you feel if some random rang up and cancelled your booking (not saying that his family are randoms but you get my point)

Exactly, what if you have an estranged spouse, BA isn’t going to give them the information they want/ or cancel your flights, without confirming anything, and unfortunately they can’t send a representative to every case that pops up.

Perhaps if the staff that handled this call had suggested the parents/girlfriend could provide a doctors certificate then it wouldn’t have caused as much grief, but simply calling up on behalf of someone else just wont do.

Then again, they might’ve tried calling “as him” and saying he’s still in hospital and can’t make the flight, though depending on the far conditions he might’ve got less from that as they wouldn’t have been forced to be as compassionate. I phone Telstra and other companies pretending to be my dad all the time, as he’s simply not around to do it himself.
 
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Wouldn't privacy laws prevent the hospitals from providing any such confirmation?

Privacy laws have some unintended consequences.

Not if the question was simply, "I'm trying to find Mr X" The hospital can confirm or deny if Mr X is a patient or not. They just wouldn't be able to devulge details of why Mr X was a patient.

My family have had far too much dealings with hospitals about a year ago (which sadly did not end well :() and each time reception was more than happy to tell us "yes the person is a patient in room 123" or "no they have been moved across to hospital xyz".
 
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Any hospital that gave out information on a patient to anyone calling....( including someone claiming to be from an airline.).. ANY information including simple confirmation that they were indeed admitted.. would surely be breaching their confidentiality obligations...:shock:

Edit: harvyk .. I am quite surprised (and worried) by that... That was certainly NOT the case when I was in hospital last week... and I would have been furious if it had been.
 
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Re: No help from BA: Seriously injured, in intensive care and can't cancel ticket - a

Any hospital that gave out information on a patient to anyone calling....( including someone claiming to be from an airline.).. ANY information including simple confirmation that they were indeed admitted.. would surely be breaching their confidentiality obligations...:shock:

Edit: harvyk .. I am quite surprised (and worried) by that... That was certainly NOT the case when I was in hospital last week... and I would have been furious if it had been.


Unless you have given the hospital permission for this to occur, I have seen it frequently mentioned as a yes no question on admission paperwork that you may allow admission confirmation to be passed onto anybody/family/next of kin or none.

In Victoria there are certain circumstances where it is permitted by law:

Some cases in which confidential information may be lawfully disclosed are set out in section 141(3) of the HSA 1988:

with the prior consent of the person to whom it relates or, if that person has died, with the consent of the senior available next of kin of that person; or
to a court, in the course of criminal proceedings; or
concerning the condition of a person who is a patient in, or is receiving health services from, a relevant health service, if the information is communicated:
in general terms; or
by a member of the medical staff of a relevant health service to the next of kin or a near relative of the patient in accordance with the recognised customs of medical practice; or
to the Australian Red Cross Society for the purpose of tracing blood, or blood products derived from blood, infected with any disease, or the donor or recipient of any such blood; or
if it is required in connection with the further treatment of a patient, or transferred electronically between hospitals for the treatment of patients; or
the giving of information in accordance with an agreement between the Minister and a body to manage a hospital under section 53(1), or a service provider under section 69B(1); or
the giving of information as described in HPP 2.2(a) of the Health Privacy Principles (HPPs) in the HRA 2001 (for secondary purpose directly related to primary purpose of collecting information), 2.2(f) (for the management of a health service or training of employees), 2.2(h) (to lessen or prevent a serious or imminent threat to the life, health or safety of an individual or to the public welfare), 2.2(k) (to establish, exercise, or defend a legal or equitable claim), 2.2(l) (to use or disclose in prescribed circumstances) or 2.5 (to identify an individual; or contact family members where, due to an accident, the individual is unable to consent) of the HPPs in the HRA 2001; or
the giving of information relating to a notification, claim or potential claim to a person or body providing insurance or indemnity (including discretionary indemnity) for any liability of the relevant health service or a person who is a relevant person in relation to the relevant health service arising from the provision of services by, on behalf of or at the relevant health service; or
to the Australian Statistician; or
for the purposes of medical or social research, if:
the use to which the information will be put and the research methodology have been approved by an ethics committee established under the by-laws of the agency; and
the giving of information does not conflict with any other requirements that may be prescribed in regulations under the Act; and
it is in accordance with HPP 2.2(g) of the HPPs in the HRA 2001; or
to a case-mix auditor or auditor under the Act; or
to a person or class of persons designated in the Government Gazette, employed by a health service or its support functions; or
to a person to whom, in the opinion of the Minister for Health, it is in the public interest that the information be given.
 
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Re: No help from BA: Seriously injured, in intensive care and can't cancel ticket - a

Sorry but BA didnt have an option here. It is the law that prevents the sharing of information. BA can't decide to just break the law "when they feel it is a good common sense case".

Also BA don't have systems designed to deal with this - how many spurious attempts do they get each day to circumvent fare rules - they would have to investigate them all. What happens when someone picks up an itinerary off a photocopier and makes a claim like this for a joke - do they send call centre staff to every one?

+1 again.

I feel this shows that BA will follow rules regardless of emotional blackmail being used and this is a good thing. Too many people would exploit this method if it was known to work.

As to hospitals giving out information I knew my brother was in hospital after a very bad motorcycle accident and although I knew everything about him it took forever to track him down and in the end I needed police assistance to gain information as to his whereabouts, so I can not see hospitals telling airlines about patients.

ejb
 
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I agree with Dave, there seems to be no evidence of anything but phone calls that could have been made by anyone

Exactly, there is nothing to stop me from calling BA and simply telling them "my name is Robert Bates, I'd like to cancel my trip to Florida please". BA would never know that I am not Robert Bates, nor does the real Robert Bates need to be anywhere in particular (like hospital).

From memory when I have called up airlines, very little checking is done to confirm I really am me before I have been able to make changes (such as flight times).
 
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