Western Sydney Airport (WSI) Discussion

[moa999]

from the ceilings, looks like the architect had been to MAD.

Or a bunch of Asian airports.
High ceilings for natural light and wavy patterns and natural wood/ wood effect materials are pretty common

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Looking at the picture in the editor’s review… there are 7 gates. Where’s the room for expansion? If it’s going to be a serious airport and not another Avalon… is there room for 50+ gates to handle both domestic and international?,

 

[kerfuffle]

Looking at the picture in the editor’s review… there are 7 gates. Where’s the room for expansion? If it’s going to be a serious airport and not another Avalon… is there room for 50+ gates to handle both domestic and international?,

By building more terminals? I think the end goal is four terminals

 

[MEL_Traveller]

By building more terminals? I think the end goal is four terminals

I get that! But i was just trying to visualise the apparently available land, and where they’d fit another 50+ gates?

 

[piec]

https://www.wsiairport.com.au/vision-growth

Page 75 on the Master Plan doc

 

[Aussie_flyer]

I get that! But i was just trying to visualise the apparently available land, and where they’d fit another 50+ gates?

There's so much space outside the terminal now it looks like there's loads of room

 

[moa999]

Current terminal is built for 10M pax a year..

The full master plan gets you to 80M including a 2nd parallel runway and a 2nd railway line (initially another Metro but under more recent plans an HSR line)

 

[MEL_Traveller]

There's so much space outside the terminal now it looks like there's loads of room

Im just downloading the master plan linked by piec. The proposed utilisation looks good! It won’t be like a series of separate terminals by the look of it, but more like a shanghai pudding and BKK mix.

Visually for me, taking the current 7 gates and using that same footprint I couldn’t see it!

Current terminal 10 million pax? Guess there’s gonna be a lot of bus gates or walking. 10m pax = 27,000 per day. With 7 gates @200 pax per plane = 19 planes per gate per day. Dreaming.

 

[Harrison_133]

Visually for me, taking the current 7 gates and using that same footprint I couldn’t see it!

Current terminal 10 million pax? Guess there’s gonna be a lot of bus gates or walking. 10m pax = 27,000 per day. With 7 gates @200 pax per plane = 19 planes per gate per day. Dreaming.

7 widebody gates but up to 14 narrowbody gates.

Plus 4 walk out / bus bays.

 

[Aussie_flyer]

7 widebody gates but up to 14 narrowbody gates.

Plus 4 walk out / bus bays.

Yes those gates have dual air bridges hence the a/b designations and room to accommodate 2 narrow bodies at once with a bridge on each

 

[Saab34]

Current terminal 10 million pax? Guess there’s gonna be a lot of bus gates or walking. 10m pax = 27,000 per day. With 7 gates @200 pax per plane = 19 planes per gate per day.

I think that’s a long way off. The growth will need to be International as domestic has its limits (Sydney Domestic Traffic 2010 -24m…15 years later…2025- 25m), as International is driving the growth in the Sydney area.


The airport will never get to 80m in our lifetime. Probably not even 20m.

 

[esseeeayeenn]

https://www.wsiairport.com.au/vision-growth Page 75 on the Master Plan doc

I note the final master plan has what look like satellite bays and something labelled "APM Connector" to which there is no reference in the text.
I was guessing "Automated Passenger Movement" ., but research says "Automated People Mover" which sounds hideous.
It sounds like an automated Toyota Tarago or similar. Who chooses these names and don't they ever research previous usage?
Apparently this will connect to the future metro station as well as to the satellite gates. It looks like a long distance so maybe some kind of automated shuttle train. Can anyone shed any light on that?

 

[Aussie_flyer]

Here's a pic demonstrating how there is room for 2 narrow bodies here

 

[kamchatsky]

I note the final master plan has what look like satellite bays and something labelled "APM Connector" to which there is no reference in the text.
I was guessing "Automated Passenger Movement" ., but research says "Automated People Mover" which sounds hideous.
It sounds like an automated Toyota Tarago or similar. Who chooses these names and don't they ever research previous usage?
Apparently this will connect to the future metro station as well as to the satellite gates. It looks like a long distance so maybe some kind of automated shuttle train. Can anyone shed any light on that?

APM is the standard term used for automated transport of people in airports, like the APM at HKG or Sky Train at SIN

Automated People Mover, Airport Facilities & Services - Hong Kong International Airport

Airport Facilities and Services The Automated People Mover takes passengers from Terminal 2 to Terminal 1 and between Terminal 1, T1 Midfield Concourse and SkyPier.

www.hongkongairport.com

Changi Airport Skytrain - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[esseeeayeenn]

APM is the standard term used for automated transport of people in airports, like the APM at HKG or Sky Train at SIN

Automated People Mover, Airport Facilities & Services - Hong Kong International Airport

Airport Facilities and Services The Automated People Mover takes passengers from Terminal 2 to Terminal 1 and between Terminal 1, T1 Midfield Concourse and SkyPier.

www.hongkongairport.com

Changi Airport Skytrain - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It's still a horribly jarring term in English.