ALL Accor+ Explorer Membership Discussion

[oz_mark]

In general, I am pretty comfortable with the upgrade. Bit of a shame about the loss of status extension though...

If I understand it right, I might be better off taking the pro-rata refund and resubscribing. If I took the pro-rata refund, I'd get another 30 nights on resubscription and get platinum through to end of next year, rather than may (my renewal date). If I was in extra travel hacker mode, I'd use my stay plus night first and get 2 more on resubscription.

Maybe I need a new hobby.

Note that the pro-rata refund will result in a clawback of the status nights that were granted at your renewal.

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I wonder if the 30 free night will continue stacks with Accor Plus China as per current process. This means if you buy accor plus membership on both side its instant platinum without any stay.

If you are in multiple programs, there is a new overall limit of 30 nights

For bonus Status Nights awarded to a Member when subscribing to or renewing an ALL Accor+ membership programme, regardless of the number or types of ALL Accor+ memberships the Member holds, a limit of 30 bonus Status Nights awarded across all memberships held will be counted towards determining the annual Status Nights' balance for that Member.

 

[33kft]

Note that the pro-rata refund will result in a clawback of the status nights that were granted at your renewal.

That is reasonable. Resubscription would result in 30 in place of the 20. Could use the stay plus night and still be ahead. Not sure if it would get me to plat or not, will need to run the numbers.

May or may not go down this road. All the data points are very helpful.

 

[Mr_Orange]

My membership is linked to Amex and the email that I received says this:



Not sure if that is any different from those who are direct members.

 

[Nat]

My understanding was that if I renewed Accor Plus before end of September this year I would maintain Platinum until at least September 2026, if insufficient nights in 2025.

Until October 1st, that is still the case.

If you renew prior to 30th September you should be assessed under the current arrangements, they don't state otherwise and I would be very surprised if they attempted to claw back a few months of status - What is certain is if you renew after 30th September you will miss out as it will be calendar year aligned to ALL.

 

[Nat]

another questions, if my membership ends in December, usually the renewal email comes on early December right? so the 30 night status will be added on December or January (next year), for the count of platinum status I need it to be added in December, so just asking to make sure.

From the terms and conditions "For renewing members, the bonus Status Nights will be reflected on the 1st day of their new Membership year."

If you are valid until 31st December I would say you will miss out.

 

[ellen10]

My membership is linked to Amex and the email that I received says this:

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Not sure if that is any different from those who are direct members.

@Mr_Orange I am a direct member and this is the same email that I received

 

[roulette21]

From the terms and conditions "For renewing members, the bonus Status Nights will be reflected on the 1st day of their new Membership year."

If you are valid until 31st December I would say you will miss out.

Subject to (d), the bonus Status Nights will be reflected in ALL Accor+ Explorer members’ Membership Accounts one (1) day after their effective ALL Accor+ Explorer Membership subscription date. For renewing members, the bonus Status Nights will be reflected on the 1st day of their new Membership year.

hmmm.. oh no... so if for renewing members, it is on the next month? Renew on December, 30 status night only will be on January? New member, 1 day after subscription date..

quite confusing..

 

[Captain Halliday]

Some bits from the full T&Cs that stood out to me and may answer some questions before they're asked...

Stay Plus Free Night:
6.2 (e) At some hotels, a 3-night minimum stay may apply.

6.3(d) If the Stay Plus Free Night benefit is attached to a prepaid, no change, no refund room rate (e.g. a Red Hot Room, Super Sale)booking, then the terms and conditions of this room rate will apply to the Stay Plus Free Night.

Will be interested to hear if anyone tests this:
6.5(c) A maximum of one Stay Plus Free Night benefit may be used per stay (a stay being consecutive nights in the same hotel)

 

[RealtimeY]

6.5(c) A maximum of one Stay Plus Free Night benefit may be used per stay (a stay being consecutive nights in the same hotel)

I think this condition is not new as some non-AU memberships already included two Stay Plus nights. On the one occasion that I made consecutive bookings using them, the hotel emailed me beforehand to tell me that they'd be adjusting the second stay to the flexible rate.

 

[roulette21]

comparison table - 30 bonus Status Nights upon joining or renewal (subject to a cap).
2.6 (d) For bonus Status Nights awarded to a Member when subscribing to or renewing an ALL Accor+ membership programme, regardless of the number or types of ALL Accor+ memberships the Member holds, a limit of 30 bonus Status Nights awarded across all memberships held will be counted towards determining the annual Status Nights' balance for that Member. This limitation does not affect Status Nights awarded for stays or other activities through a Member's use of their membership.


Is this means bonus night from this new Accorplus not stackable with other membership (eg. All+ China)?

 

[comehither]

Only time will tell. I have a feeling it will still stack.

 

[oz_mark]

30 bonus Status Nights upon joining or renewal (subject to a cap).

Is this means bonus night from this new Accorplus not stackable with other membership (eg. All+ China)?

That appears to be the case. From the FAQ

While subscription stacking is permitted and allows members to enjoy the combined benefits of multiple programs, the total number of Status Nights that can be counted on an annual basis as part of the purchase of subscriptions is capped at 30 Status Nights.

This cap does not apply to Bonus Offers such as Fast Track promotions or other limited-time campaigns.

For example, if you purchased the following subscriptions: 'Explorer + Voyager' (which grant a total of 50 Status Nights), the total number of Status Nights credited as part of the purchase of those programs will still be limited to 30.

 

[henrus]

One other thing is that pricing across all regions is now the same, Milelion has a good article about this.

Accor Plus becomes ALL Accor+ Explorer: Stay Plus nerfed, dining discount cut to 30% - The MileLion

From October 2025, Stay Plus will require a minimum of one paid night and dining discounts will be capped at 30%, as Accor Plus becomes ALL Accor+ Explorer.

milelion.com

I had mine in Malaysia and paid ~$427 per year with 2x free nights (although these didn't have the limitation). That now drops to ~$345 and also includes 2x free nights (but have to pay for one extra night). Dining was often just me or 3/4 people so not a major loss there and the discounts on drinks and global rates should make up the difference so overall I'm quite pleased.

Now the really interesting thing is unused stay plus certificates multiply on 1 October.

I've got one booking at the Fairmont in Singapore ($415 value as thats the cheapest room rate) and one at the Sofitel Fiji ($370 value) so for my $427 I've got $785 worth of rooms but the gamble is cancelling just prior to 1 October and then rebooking to pick up an extra stay plus. Unless I figure out if you can cancel after 1 October and it still splits into two.

Edit - Found in the help:

• If you cancel a Stay Plus booking after 1st October 2025, you'll receive two Stay Plus FREE Nights for that cancelled booking.

So it seems I can sit on my bookings and wait until after 1 October to see if I can extract even more value.

 

[PineappleSkip]

• The 15% off drinks gets extended to all Accor hotels in Asia/Pacific rather than Asia only.
• Dining discount becomes a flat 30%.

I can make that work. I'll have a small entree and a large number of beverages please.

 

[dairyfloss]

comparison table - 30 bonus Status Nights upon joining or renewal (subject to a cap).
2.6 (d) For bonus Status Nights awarded to a Member when subscribing to or renewing an ALL Accor+ membership programme, regardless of the number or types of ALL Accor+ memberships the Member holds, a limit of 30 bonus Status Nights awarded across all memberships held will be counted towards determining the annual Status Nights' balance for that Member. This limitation does not affect Status Nights awarded for stays or other activities through a Member's use of their membership.


Is this means bonus night from this new Accorplus not stackable with other membership (eg. All+ China)?

Correct - combined total capped at 30 nights going forwards, so no more cheap platinum from this method.

 

[dairyfloss]

One other thing is that pricing across all regions is now the same, Milelion has a good article about this.

Accor Plus becomes ALL Accor+ Explorer: Stay Plus nerfed, dining discount cut to 30% - The MileLion

From October 2025, Stay Plus will require a minimum of one paid night and dining discounts will be capped at 30%, as Accor Plus becomes ALL Accor+ Explorer.

milelion.com

I had mine in Malaysia and paid ~$427 per year with 2x free nights (although these didn't have the limitation). That now drops to ~$345 and also includes 2x free nights (but have to pay for one extra night). Dining was often just me or 3/4 people so not a major loss there and the discounts on drinks and global rates should make up the difference so overall I'm quite pleased.

Now the really interesting thing is unused stay plus certificates multiply on 1 October.

I've got one booking at the Fairmont in Singapore ($415 value as thats the cheapest room rate) and one at the Sofitel Fiji ($370 value) so for my $427 I've got $785 worth of rooms but the gamble is cancelling just prior to 1 October and then rebooking to pick up an extra stay plus. Unless I figure out if you can cancel after 1 October and it still splits into two.

Edit - Found in the help:

So it seems I can sit on my bookings and wait until after 1 October to see if I can extract even more value.

You can, but keep in mind you’re not able to combine BOGOF nights in the one booking or stay, which I understand includes checking out and back in on the same day for a successive booking. You may get away with that in places though

 

[serfty]

If you renew prior to 30th September you should be assessed under the current arrangements, they don't state otherwise and I would be very surprised if they attempted to claw back a few months of status - What is certain is if you renew after 30th September you will miss out as it will be calendar year aligned to ALL.

Thanks ...

I have done some tallying.

Fortunately for me, I'll have 30 BiB status nights by the end of September, so it seems best to renew in October. From what I can make out, this will give me Platinum status until at least the end 2026.

 

[comehither]

Man after my own!

 

[Haplo]

So for amex cardholder our anniversary for most of us is 31 August, so if i book the stay plus in September I get one night free (without having to book a second night), but if I do nothing then come October then i'll get two nights free (minimum two nights), is that how it is going to work?

For the two nights is the free night the lower of the two night or waiver of one night on the average night rate?

 

[oz_mark]

So for amex cardholder our anniversary for most of us is 31 August, so if i book the stay plus in September I get one night free (without having to book a second night), but if I do nothing then come October then i'll get two nights free (minimum two nights), is that how it is going to work?

For the two nights is the free night the lower of the two night or waiver of one night on the average night rate?

It's covered in the T&C's 6.2(d)

(d) The complimentary night applies to the most expensive night booked.