VA562 misses Sydney curfew but lines up for approach anyway

[MEL_Traveller]

Hey - Slight tangent on topic - Im booked on a flight later this year...
If I had a PER->SYD on a VA booking, then a SYD->BNE->YVR on Air Canada (VA from SYD->BNE at 8:00 , AC from BNE->YVR at 11 ). Would I be able to board at BNE, given all Star Alliance ?

Not sure what you are asking here… are you looking to skip the PER-SYD flight, the SYD-BNE flight, or reroute it PER-BNE?

If you are not flying out of SYD you will need to change your ticket in advance of travel. If you miss the SYD-BNE leg the BNE-YVR leg will auto cancel as soon as you no-show for the SYD-BNE flight.

 

[Dave G]

Sorry if I was unclear...
We are booked PER->SYD. (VA) Then SYD->BNE->YVR (AC). The SYD->BNE is booked through AC, but is VA flight
If it was diverted to BNE, could we NOT fly back to SYD, and jump on a plane and fly back to BNE ? Especially since the timing wouldnt work to be able to get from BNE->SYD to got on the specified 8:00 flight (First leg of SYD->BNE->YVR with AC)

 

[outthere1000]

they reslly need to get rid of the curfew. This is just insane, the wasted fuel and associated coats of an aircraft in the wrong city, crew out of position, accomodation costs etc etc. these things are so quiet when, when you compare to the old 707/727/dc9 and early 747s. Plus coming in over the bay, very few homes under them. Its just insane. Western sydney airport cannot open soon enough. Looking at Flightradar, it got pretty close but never slowed to landing speed anyway, but depends on how accurate FR is, as it shows zero feet 180 knots. So not very accurate by the looks.

You wouldn't be so keen on eliminating the curfew if you lived under either of the flight paths in, say, Newtown or Stanmore, believe me.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Sorry if I was unclear...
We are booked PER->SYD. (VA) Then SYD->BNE->YVR (AC). The SYD->BNE is booked through AC, but is VA flight
If it was diverted to BNE, could we NOT fly back to SYD, and jump on a plane and fly back to BNE ? Especially since the timing wouldnt work to be able to get from BNE->SYD to got on the specified 8:00 flight (First leg of SYD->BNE->YVR with AC)

Good question.

Someone needs to intervene. Either yourself with a call to Aeroplan to short-segment the ticket, dropping the SYD-BNE sector. Or VA wouod need to somehow show the first sector as flown, or otherwise arrange with Aeroplan to reissue the ticket excluding the SYD-BNE. I don’t know if the latter is possible, but one of our travel agents may know?

Hiwever if the reason for the delay is outside VA’s control… weather or ATC… not sure how willing they will be to help.

And of course there’s no guarantee the flight will divert to BNE, I guess it could also go to MEL?

 

[Dave G]

Yes - although the 2 times its diverted in the last 12 months have both been to BNE I only know this now because I have looked because of this flight. Otherwise I would have been in blissful ignorance.

 

[justinbrett]

Hey - Slight tangent on topic - Im booked on a flight later this year...
If I had a PER->SYD on a VA booking, then a SYD->BNE->YVR on Air Canada (VA from SYD->BNE at 8:00 , AC from BNE->YVR at 11 ). Would I be able to board at BNE, given all Star Alliance ?

VA isn't in Star Alliance.

 

[MarkD]

You wouldn't be so keen on eliminating the curfew if you lived under either of the flight paths in, say, Newtown or Stanmore, believe me.

See my other post. I did. At camperdown for years, loved the aircraft coming over and they were noisy back then, not like these whisper quiet jets of today. Hell even the F 27 made more noise than modern jets. I miss living there. I will happily swamp my tent in the ghetto for your newtown “villa” at newtown

 

[markis10]

Novotel I think - it was further away from Brisbane airport than numerous hotels are from Canberra Airport.

The Novotel is very close to the threshold of one of the eagle farm runways, it’s not their fault they moved the airport from Eagle Farm in the eighties

 

[justinbrett]

But there are a dozen or more just a few minutes drive away. I stayed at a Brisbane Airport hotel last year, Novotel I think - it was further away from Brisbane airport than numerous hotels are from Canberra Airport.

There was supposed to be a train station there (SkyGate precinct) that was never built. Then they developed the multi story car parks and new hotels right at the terminal so now there isn’t enough demand.

 

[JohnPhelan]

Sorry if I was unclear...
We are booked PER->SYD. (VA) Then SYD->BNE->YVR (AC). The SYD->BNE is booked through AC, but is VA flight
If it was diverted to BNE, could we NOT fly back to SYD, and jump on a plane and fly back to BNE ? Especially since the timing wouldnt work to be able to get from BNE->SYD to got on the specified 8:00 flight (First leg of SYD->BNE->YVR with AC)

Can you get it rebooked so that you do a PER-BNE flight to position for the flight to Canada? It would make it much simpler (and curfew-free).

 

[JohnPhelan]

There was supposed to be a train station there (SkyGate precinct) that was never built. Then they developed the multi story car parks and new hotels right at the terminal so now there isn’t enough demand.

It's ridiculous that there is no station at SkyGate, given the number of people who work in that precinct - including at the BAC head office!!

 

[docjames]

Seems like VA562 on 8 May was delayed out of Perth, and had the fun task of racing the clock against the Sydney curfew.

It got close, but why did it still line up for an approach at Sydney, before then diverting to Brisbane?

It's not like they were seconds away, or missed their first go. It attempted to land at 11.23pm.

I'm sure there's a good explanation that I've missed though

So basically avoided the fine for landing after curfew, yet created more noise than actually landing.

Well played.......

 

[Quickstatus]

It would be a very expensive taxi /uber ride to the city for flights landing during SYD curfew.

Depends.
UberXL would cost me $10 -$20 more to WSI than SYD. Peanuts in the scheme of things

 

[XWu]

Sydney has a network of NightRide bus routes that follow most railway lines (including the metro) overnight.

It would be likely that the WSA metro would also get a NightRide bus route, although it could be a torturously slow journey to the CBD. The N71 bus takes 84 minutes from St Marys to Central.

The first train of the morning from St Marys is at 3:22am on weekdays, and 3:55am on weekends as per the Western Line schedule, so assuming that a bus to there runs at those hours whilst the WSA metro doesn't, if a flight has been diverted late enough it might be an option to wait for that.

Unless I was jetlagged and had no chance of sleep, none of these middle-of-the-night public transport adventures from WSA sound too appealing though. Neither would an Uber fare to the CBD either, I guess.

Uhmm, you do realise the complement of a modern pax jet plus pax luggage makes any discussion of using NightRide a meaningless exercise? And that arriving at St Marys station in wee hours of the morning is not exactly an enticing prospect, (although the artist’s impression of an upgraded station building does look better that the existing facility) so even if the metro is driverless and working after hours it’s a long long way (and potentially eventful adventure) to the city from St Mary. (It’s ok, I am a Westie and can comment on my neighbourhood)

Which makes me think what’s the point of WSI when there is no public transport…. Except for the Westies. I think there are more than a few members here from Sydney who said they will never consider WSI even with air traffic schedule not restricted by curfew. Can’t blame them as unless there is a fast train option direct to central station, otherwise amount of transfers between lines and stations to pass simply makes WSI unattractive to anyone relying on public transport

 

[bpc]

The Sydney curfew is a disgrace. It shouldn't be there at all.

As a resident of Newtown, I beg to differ.

 

[bpc]

I guess the trade-off for the curfew is having an international airport so close to the city.

Living in Newtown, on a pleasant afternoon a couple of years ago after an overnighter in Griffith with a stiff back just a shoulder bag I did decide to walk home to get some exercise and sunshine in

Tangent: that flight was with Rex. When flying to small regional airports they check if any passengers on the plane require taxis and call ahead to book them for you.

I was still waiting for mine when the cabin crew came out of the airport to get into their minibus. Asked me where I was staying. "Oh, we're only round the corner, we'll give you a lift!"

Now that's a full service airline

 

[XWu]

You wouldn't be so keen on eliminating the curfew if you lived under either of the flight paths in, say, Newtown or Stanmore, believe me.

As a student I lived in 2 locations in Newtown, 2 in Camperdown all of these involved the years before and after the 1995/6 curfew were brought in. No issues there or then and due to circumstances I can only study at night, the night flights didn’t bother me.

It doesn’t mean your own suffering from the noise is diminished, it just means not everyone is affected by it the same way, and many of the noise were there for years before the protests came about, when the inner suburbs become gentrified

 

[AIRwin]

Now that's a full service airline

Happy ending?

 

[Himeno]

Which makes me think what’s the point of WSI when there is no public transport…. Except for the Westies. I think there are more than a few members here from Sydney who said they will never consider WSI even with air traffic schedule not restricted by curfew. Can’t blame them as unless there is a fast train option direct to central station, otherwise amount of transfers between lines and stations to pass simply makes WSI unattractive to anyone relying on public transport

I would think that once the airport opens and flight schedules are announced, they'll start putting on bus routes from the airport into the city to supplement the rail option. Just as there are buses at AVV to meet JQ flights.
The public transport operators likely want to wait to see how many flights there are likely to be during times of no rail service.

 

[Catweazle]

It *should* be there for the runway closest to the suburb of Botany. Got a friend living there and it’s noisy.

But you don’t hear anything on the main runway from their place.

I dunno why but I’ve seen flights brought in on that Botany runway early and late when the main runway is clear and nothing lined up for arrival or departure. That’s not doing any favours for those wanting to scrap the curfew.

It wouldn't be quite so noisy as Melbourne anyway, because I'm pretty sure we don't have a curfew. During the middle of the night I hear those beasts roaring overhead but we're not even under the flight path! Yet I can live with it and don't find it all that concerning.