QF Economy Urination Policy

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Actualise

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What follows is my complaint to Qantas today... if you agree with me, please let them know how you feel.

Apparently Qantas management neither fly economy nor work in the cabin of 737s and similar aircraft.

Let me introduce them to the realities:

1. There are six Business and 162 odd economy pax

2. A pax may sometimes appear to be a real living breathing human

3. All cityflier flights serve fluids incl tea and coffee

4. FAs who sometimes appear to be living breathing humans push heavy carts of these fluids up and down the aisles

5. Tea and coffee are diuretics

6. A natural consequence of fluid intake in humans is passing fluids

7. There are 3 receptacles for these fluids

8. Qantas management have mandated a PA stating that one receptacle (at the front) is only for the use of the front 6 pax and that the remaining 162 pax must use the rear two reciptacles.

9. Not only is the maths wrong... 162 into 2 does not go... But it is quite impractical that in the mid-latter part of the flight the fluid cart and FAs are blocking the aisle so noone from the front part of the plane can do what comes naturally given the fluid intake and diuretic.

10. the supposed reason is so that people do not queue up in the business class cabin - instead a safety issue is created for the rest of the pax with a crowded rear work area making it doubly hard (i.e. fluid trolleys in the way of the receptacle doors)

So, please request that management accept the view of the large majority of pax, the safety of the large majority of their pax and their FAs, and indeed the views of the FAs - all the FAs this pax has asked say that management have never had to work on the planes, and have never asked the FAs working in economy.
 
Actualise,

Are you serious:?:

Starting point is there are 12 business seats and 156 economy seats in a 737-800.;)

I have never seen the situation where economy passengers can't use the front receptacle, as you put it:!:
 
I've now seen it enforced twice (2 flights), and heard the announcement a few times - the FAs I asked tonight said it has always been policy, but management have mandated the new announcement, and that cabin staff enforce it... and Elise enforced it tonight...

Yes - 12 up front. I guess I can't count! Sorry about that.
 
...and have never asked the FAs working in economy.[/I][/INDENT]

How abouts asking the people who spend $$$$ for J seats if they enjoy having a constant stream of Y pax waltzing through the J cabin to use the forward toilet? Could you imagine the letters of complaint QF would receive if that was to occur?

If you were QF, who would you rather piss off? The Y pax with a $39 red e-deal ticket or the executive up in J that spends thousands with QF each year?

A reasonable person would realise that buying a Y ticket you get Y service and amenities. If you are so concerned with your bladder function I suggest that you purchase a J ticket.
 
I think for the price difference between Economy & Business, it is justifiable for the front toilet to be used for Business passengers only.

If you want it so badly, fly Business.
 
So if the sole J toilet is occupied for a long period, can the J passenger go and use the toilets at the rear of a 737? This is just ridiculous; I agree with the OP that common sense should prevail...there are 3 toilets on the plane (737), which any of the passengers should be able to use! If you are sitting in row 4, does that mean you have to go back 25+ rows to go to the loo?...and your path will almost certainly be blocked by the food / drink cart!!...and yes I have flown in J on a 737 recently, and I dont think the front toilet should be reserved for J passengers only!:shock:
 
Perhaps they could do a Ryan air and just charge to use the amenities. I guess that might reduce the demand as an alternative.

It's a new policy - in my view ill-considered. If you regularly fly business you might have a different view... I can handle that. But have you ever complained (or thought to) about the flow of cattle from the seats behind?
 
I only think the front loo should be reserved for J passengers when I am flying J. When I am not flying J I think it should be open slather. :rolleyes:
 
So if the sole J toilet is occupied for a long period, can the J passenger go and use the toilets at the rear of a 737? This is just ridiculous; I agree with the OP that common sense should prevail...there are 3 toilets on the plane (737), which any of the passengers should be able to use! If you are sitting in row 4, does that mean you have to go back 25+ rows to go to the loo?...and your path will almost certainly be blocked by the food / drink cart!!...and yes I have flown in J on a 737 recently, and I dont think the front toilet should be reserved for J passengers only!:shock:

I agree that common sense should prevail in urgent/emergency situations, but some people pay a lot more for a J ticket not only for the good seat and food, but for a quiet/relaxing cabin without a constant stream of Y riff-raff clogging the aisle.
 
we're talking domestic short-haul...

they've been paying for J-class (well actually not many are paying for J-class any more!) with the old policy, and I don't recall too many long lines of cattle from the seats behind that would be particularly concerning to the peaceful enjoyment of the business seats. Crikey - even their fellow J-class folks get up and use the receptacle... as also the economy cabin FAs, as happened today :-)
 
I agree that common sense should prevail in urgent/emergency situations, but some people pay a lot more for a J ticket not only for the good seat and food, but for a quiet/relaxing cabin without a constant stream of Y riff-raff clogging the aisle.

I've read a few judgemental opinions on this board and I've not voiced my thoughts but I choose not to let your opinion of calling y passengers as being riff-raff pass. I am a y passenger sometimes and a j passengers at others time. My last recent flt. was j and I found I had to be quick to use the front facility as y passengers were using the front facility but that's life. As a y passenger I've appreciated the fact I can use it when I'm near the front of y without tracking down the back.

I've heard the announcement the past couple of months for y passengers to access the back facilities and also observed that cabin crew haven't enforced it.

If/when it becomes enforced and I'm y then I'll happily use the back.

Riff-raf I'm not whatever facility I use.
 
I fly Y most of the time (except on some Award flights) and think that those who choose to pay to fly J should reap the benefits. If that means one loo for 12 pax then so be it. Even if I'm sitting close to the front of the plane I always use the loo in my class. It's rude not to. Where do these people get their manners from?
 
What annoys me is not that Y pax use the front loo but that so many of them do.
Using the OP's logic of numbers if there were to be equal persons per loo then only those from row 10 forward should use the front loo,row 11 back should go to the rear.That would make 54 pax for the front facility and 56 for each rear facility but remembering that flight crew use the front facility.
 
I always fly economy unless Qantas choose to upgrade me but in a seat as close as I can get to the front. Certain planes have more facilities than others and are easier to get to even during service times. A 737 with its single aisle and only 2 toilets at the back is the worst type to travel on.

If I think I have a reasonable chance of getting to the back, finding a free cubicle, and getting back to my seat before the fasten seat-belt sign comes on, then I will do it. If it looks all too hard and the toilet at the front is free then I will use it.

People fortunate enough to fly in the big comfy seats need to get past their class hangups.
 
but I choose not to let your opinion of calling y passengers as being riff-raff pass. I am a y passenger sometimes and a j passengers at others time.
Riff-raf I'm not whatever facility I use.

+1!!:evil:
 
I think it is a tad harsh calling economy pax riff-raff. Sometimes we don't have choice with company policy etc.

However, in terms of using the facilities. I pace myself so I use them when others are likely to be seated. I guess this is easier seeing that i rarely travel on a 737/320 etc, but the logic is still the same. If you practice it enough times, than it becomes habit.

For the record I do not drink tea/coffee on a plane;)
 
My recollection was for short haul flights (where the curtain between J and Y is not drawn and they are single aisle), Economy passengers can use the J toilets.

Really, that is a common sense and practical solution.
 
I'm yet to see it ever enforced on dom flights - if it's new must be very recent, guess I'll find out in a couple days. It is something I've actually thought about recently as those Y plebs shuffle past.

Riff raff maybe not, but some of us self-funded flyers enjoy our row 4 on a 738, well within leg's length of the seat in front so watch it ;) Honestly I'm lucky enough never to have had to use such facilities except after an hour of quality turbulence on Shanghai Airlines. But I do appreciate that a constant flow of pax from behind does feel 'meddling', maybe its entirely an superiority issue for the individual?

I think the whole announcement but non-enforcement does the trick, keeping the casual flyers out back. Obviously the front few Y rows are field with paid QP, elites or the immobile so an unrealistic fair world would suggest they're entitled.

But that provides an idea. So status privileges are always being watered down, especially WP. What if QF makes front toilet access for J + WP, maybe SG? Priority check-in, luggage, boarding and toilet - how lovely.
 
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But that provides an idea. So status privileges are always being watered down, especially WP. What if QF makes front toilet access for J + WP, maybe SG? Priority check-in, luggage, boarding and toilet - how lovely.

Please swipe your boarding pass for entry ... sounds very Ryanair-esqe.

Just to clarify my post in case anyone gets the wrong idea... I see a very clear delineation between flights where cabins are separated by a closed curtain, and where the curtain isn't closed. I'm not saying on an International (or even a 767 flight) that people should be able to use a higher class's toilet. My example is purely for those short sectors where a single aisle plane is being used.
 
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