Call for global blacklist of unsafe airlines

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From news.com.au:

EU Transport Commissioner Antonio Tajani has called for a worldwide blacklist of unsafe airlines after a Yemeni airliner crashed off the coast of the Indian Ocean archipelago of Comoros.

”My idea is to propose a worldwide blacklist similar to the one we have in the European Union,” Tajani said in Brussels.

A little premature to be implying the tragic accident off Comoros would have been prevented by such a no-fly list.
 
Surely such a tool will end up being political rather than consumer-oriented?

For example, despite recent events (and whether or not it is justified) I doubt the EU would spite itself enough to put Air France on such a list.
 
So efectively the EU is saying we want to step-in, overrule country sovereignty and make our own rules.

eg. Garuda (and all other Indonesian carriers) is banned in Europe, but quite happily flies to Australia.
Other airline commonly flown by Australian is the Thai based One Two Go.
 
So efectively the EU is saying we want to step-in, overrule country sovereignty and make our own rules.

eg. Garuda (and all other Indonesian carriers) is banned in Europe, but quite happily flies to Australia.
Other airline commonly flown by Australian is the Thai based One Two Go.

Umm no - they are suggesting that a world wide ban based on the same list as used in the EU be used. Just like having a World Anti Doping Agency in sport - countries can choose whether to participate or not.
 
Umm no - they are suggesting that a world wide ban based on the same list as used in the EU be used. Just like having a World Anti Doping Agency in sport - countries can choose whether to participate or not.

The list as posted by straitman, seems to basically ban all airlines from a list of countries (plus a small number of other airlines), which is presumably where the point of overruling sovereignty comes from.

A question, though, how does banning all Indonesian airlines from the EU resolve the safety issues?
 
A question, though, how does banning all Indonesian airlines from the EU resolve the safety issues?
I guess it does not but it ensures that they don't bring their 'unsafe' standards into the EU.

For what it is worth the company that I work for has it's own 'Aviation Services' division that audits companies across the world and recommends who the company should do business with. I'm sure (some) other large companies do something similar.
 
It is worth pointing out that the list of airlines banned from the EU has been recently updated. Garuda has been removed from the list

All air carriers certified by the authorities with responsibility for regulatory oversight of Indonesia, with the exception of Garuda Indonesia, Airfast Indonesia, Mandala Airlines, and Ekspres Transportasi Antarbenua,

I think it weakens the arguments that Garuda should be banned from Australia.
 
It is worth pointing out that the list of airlines banned from the EU has been recently updated. Garuda has been removed from the list

I think it weakens the arguments that Garuda should be banned from Australia.

Yeh, it was mentioned elsewhere on another thread that they were off the list:!: :shock:
 
There's a lot of African airlines on that list. I guess there's a lot of good reason for that.
 
ICAO rejects EU call for global airline blacklist | NowPublic News Coverage
ICAO rejects EU call for global airline blacklist

Thursday, July 9 01:02 pm

The head of aviation body ICAO on Thursday rejected a proposal by European Transport Commissioner Antonio Tajani to work on creating a global blacklist for unsafe airlines.

"I don't think this is the solution at the global level," Roberto Kobeh Gonzalez, president of the International Civil Aviation Organisation, told reporters when asked if he supported the idea.

Tajani last week said he would propose the creation of a global blacklist of unsafe airlines after it emerged that a Yemenia airliner that crashed near Comoros had previously raised safety concerns during European Union checks.
 
There's a lot of African airlines on that list. I guess there's a lot of good reason for that.
I have only heard of 4 of the airlines on that list and have no intention of flying on any of them in this life time. It has nothing to do with the list, there are many others airlines not on that list I would never fly, but more to do with the name of the airline and/or the country involved.

Is it a bad thing to discriminate against an airline when you have not flown with them?
 
Is it a bad thing to discriminate against an airline when you have not flown with them?

I think so aka Jetstar; I've flown with them and never had problems, even though people b**** about them.
 
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I think so aka Jetstar; I've flown with them and never had problems, even though people b**** about them.
Jetstar is a totally different story with a warped business model, poor scheduling with frequent cancellations, no clue about customer service and no FF program unless you want to spend twice or three times the price of a red e-deal.

I am also not prepared to play their game of 5c airfares if you log on between 8:00:12pm and 8:00:27pm for travel on day of the week that ends is "a" and 11 months from now even though some people continue to try in the hope that they are able to get something cheap and force themselves to use it or throw it away.

I was more referring to airlines that originate in countries like Angola, Gabon, Liberia, Democratic People's Republic of Congo, Sierra Leone, Kazakhstan etc....
 
Jetstar is a totally different story with a warped business model, poor scheduling with frequent cancellations, no clue about customer service and no FF program unless you want to spend twice or three times the price of a red e-deal.

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I was more referring to airlines that originate in countries like Angola, Gabon, Liberia, Democratic People's Republic of Congo, Sierra Leone, Kazakhstan etc....

I think you'll find your question was rather warped and/or ambiguous, because the difference between "discrimination" of an airline based on its country of origin or whatever the media or its business model says was not specified in your original question and, in my opinion, doesn't warrant any special consideration. Your question purely related to whether someone had not flown that airline before. So it's not "a totally different story" per se although it does point out that people will prejudge and not fly certain airlines for different reasons, irrelevant if they are "correct" or "incorrect" reasons.


For example, I've only flown JQ a few times (relative to my flying QF) and I have had no qualms with their service. In fact, I quite like JQ Star Class, except for the fact that in non-sale times it's almost, as or is more expensive than regular J on any given full cost carrier. That, and their rather odd pricing (which as JohnK points out, is idiosyncratically often more expensive than the other options including QF), plus the inability to earn FF points or SCs on any fare except flexible and Star Class detracts me from flying them. (The inability to earn status and/or points is one big reason why I don't particularly look forward to flying JQNZ at any time soon).

As for not flying airlines from the countries on the EU's no fly list, I guess I will admit upfront that I have an assumed bias towards the EU's judgement. That is, I am going to assert that the EU has composed this list within strict and impartial guidelines and thus the list stands as valid for valid reasons. As of posting this, I'm also asserting that the EU does not ban airlines from flying to their community on the basis of pure politics or commercial grounds but based on safety assurance. With this in mind, there would probably need to be compelling reasons why I would fly any of the airlines in the list (perhaps I need to get somewhere that is only serviced by the said carriers...)

Of course, we know there are other airlines not on the EU list that have had a plethora of accidents; some probably more than a handful of those on the list combined......


Perhaps "discrimination" is the wrong word; "prejudice" is probably more appropriate.
 
I think you'll find your question was rather warped and/or ambiguous, because the difference between "discrimination" of an airline based on its country of origin or whatever the media or its business model says was not specified in your original question and, in my opinion, doesn't warrant any special consideration.
Yes I must admit that my question was a little warped and I meant it to read in the context of the thread of banning airlines for repeated safety infridgements. I feel the EU list is by no means complete and I would include a few more airlines in Africa, Central and South America, Asia and Europe.

Perhaps "discrimination" is the wrong word; "prejudice" is probably more appropriate.
I think you are right. Prejudice would have been a much better word.
 
Jetstar is a totally different story with a warped business model, poor scheduling with frequent cancellations, no clue about customer service and no FF program unless you want to spend twice or three times the price of a red e-deal.

I am also not prepared to play their game of 5c airfares if you log on between 8:00:12pm and 8:00:27pm for travel on day of the week that ends is "a" and 11 months from now even though some people continue to try in the hope that they are able to get something cheap and force themselves to use it or throw it away.

I was more referring to airlines that originate in countries like Angola, Gabon, Liberia, Democratic People's Republic of Congo, Sierra Leone, Kazakhstan etc....

Geez JK, it would seem you don't like JQ ;)

I think that the Black List should be undertaken based on the following...

Aircraft Type
Aircraft Age
Aircraft ownership
Pilot Training, (at the sake of being politically incorrect) Nationallity, Age, Experience
Maintenance programme
Where Maintenance is conducted and by whom
Maintenance history
Safety history
Rotation history
Ownership of the said - eg venture capital , government, private etc..

and I am sure there can be a few more to add

A tough list to compile, but looking at Bill's list and the countless others available if you google "banned airlines", countries seem to be banned in some instances rather than the airline -this is a tough call. Garuda, still on my personal no fly list

Mr!

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Where Maintenance is conducted and by whom
If that was included on the list Mr P there may be some unkind people who would suggest that Qantas should be on it.:rolleyes:
 
Has Garuda been allowed entirely, or only certain aircraft?

I seem to recall some airlines have bans on particualr aircraft only (a la Yemenia, unfortunately, rightly or wrongly.)
 
Has Garuda been allowed entirely, or only certain aircraft?

I seem to recall some airlines have bans on particualr aircraft only (a la Yemenia, unfortunately, rightly or wrongly.)

It reads as though all Garuda aircraft are allowed.
 
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