General COVID-19 Vaccine Discussion

[Lynda2475]

.I said shots per vaccinator

That's 12+ per nurse per hour at at Olympic park (5mins per patient, as other staff do the check in, prepare the syringes and monitor for reactions).

The two different GPs practices my parents went to for their AZ certainly weren't taking 12 people per hour for vaccinations, and the second one they went to they were there considerably longer than I was at Olympic Park.

 

[drron]

They were doing at least that at the GP practice where we got our AZ shots.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Manager of the Aged Care Facility at Baulkham Hills just again stated yet again that some of the unvaccinated residents has REFUSED to be vaccinated.

Why are you focusing on the negative?!?!

 

[Lynda2475]

Why are you focusing on the negative?!?!

Its actually positive, because its not a failure of the roll-out (as others here are claiming, refusing to acknowledge some make poor choices), they were offered and declined. So they are choosing risk and therefore should not be used as a reason to keep other vaccinated people locked down.

The bar need to be offered, not accepted, because some will always decline.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

They were doing at least that at the GP practice where we got our AZ shots.

Yes 5 minutes slots with 6 or 8 ( I did not bother counting) vaccination cubicles with a nurse doing vaccination in each at the GP RC I went too.

Best thing too was no queuing like you see at the mass hubs. But if people are ok to do that then that is their choice.

The GP RC I went to made a point to not turn up too early. You just turn up prior to get your shot.




Also comparing number per facility as measure of efficiency makes no sense.

I mean is one hub doing say 2000 a day, better than 10 GP RCS doing 500 per day? Or 4000 GP practices doing 50 per day?

No what counts is the coughulative total. The more channels the better. What is most efficient is maximising the greatest number of doses over as much territory as possible.

The nation a is gearing up to do 2 million per week. GP will be a vital part of that including Pfizer. Not all G's will, but it makes sense to start integrating them now so that the 2 million per week can be achieved.

It will be a disaster if after an already slow rollout that come Oct we cannot achieved 2 million per week due to a constraint on how many people we can vaccinate.

It really does not matter which cubicle that the vaccinator is sitting in. What matters is that we have as many vaccinators as we need and that they be spread far and wide across our large nation. That coverage simply cannot be achieved with 100% hubs.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Its actually positive, because its not a failure of the roll-out (as others here are claiming, refusing to acknowledge some make poor choices), they were offered and declined. So they are choosing risk and therefore should not be used as a reason to keep other vaccinated people locked down.

The bar need to be offered, not accepted, because some will always decline.

Honestly there should be no vaccine privileges until at least 6 weeks after its open to all ages.

 

[Lynda2475]

no queuing like you see at the mass hubs.

Which only happens if you show up early (a sign of how keen people are for Pfizer).

It was wrong to reduce state hub doses so that GP rollout could start this week. Less people can now get vaccinated at hubs, slowing the tap to the most popular channel for working age cohort is a sad sad day.

 

[drron]

The PHE in England hasn't said that the AZ vaccine is less effective with the delta variant when it comes to hospitalisation or death compared to Pfizer.In fact they report no deaths with the Delta or Alpha strains in AZ vaccinated individuals.That I think is the real bottom line.
The Scottish figures aren't as good but much lower numbers.

PHE study finds AstraZeneca vaccine 92% effective against Delta variant

PHE found two doses of the Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccine could still keep patients with Delta out of hospital - but both are less able to stop infection

www.openaccessgovernment.org

AZ's COVID jab tackles delta variant, but antibody fails clinical trial

The delta variant of COVID-19 may be holding back the lifting of lockdown restrictions in the UK, but there is some good news – the AstraZeneca/Oxford University vaccine seems to offer a high level of protection against it.

pharmaphorum.com

Interestingly the Indians have found that the level of neutralising antibodies show a 2 fold reduction with AZ but a 7-10 fold reduction with Pfizer or Moderna.

Delta: List of vaccines that are claimed to be effective against this Covid variant

Zydus Cadila's ZyCov-D, which will be the world's first DNA vaccine, is believed to be effective against the Delta variant.

www.hindustantimes.com

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Rubbish, start privileges, bonuses etc early to make people fight to get it when they can!

So based on today's data, you think its right for there to be privileges for either 7.3% fully vaccinated or 17.5% one dose vaccinated. That certainly seems like a fair go for all Australians.

Back to topic.

 

[serfty]

So based on today's data, you think its right for there to be privileges for either 7.3% fully vaccinated or 17.5% one dose vaccinated. That certainly seems like a fair go for all Australians. ...

It's 9% and 31% ...



I wonder what stat the anti government media will use next when the "fully vaccinatted" becomes inconveniently large.

 

[bcworld]

It's 9% and 31% ...

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I wonder what stat the anti government media will use next when the "fully vaccinatted" becomes inconveniently large.

Some stats are based on total population...some are based on eligible population (aged 16+ years)...that likely explains the difference.

 

[serfty]

Some stats are based on total population...some are based on eligible population (aged 16+ years)...that likely explains the difference.

Given the vaccine is not yet approved for the younger cohort any deliberate use of them in such calculation is dishonest.

 

[Pushka]

It's 9% and 31% ...

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I wonder what stat the anti government media will use next when the "fully vaccinatted" becomes inconveniently large.

And 70% of people aged over 70 are vaccinated. I agree with the suggestion that different rates for different age groups might be a good way to go. Interesting to see how the 60-70 year group do.

 

[Port Power]

Just hearing the news that 24 children a week are dying of COVID-19 in Indonesia. So terribly sad. They didn’t lock down for economic reasons, but what a price! In Australia we can be so thankful. I believe Australia is going to help with vaccine.

 

[antycbr]

Just hearing the news that 24 children a week are dying of COVID-19 in Indonesia. So terribly sad. They didn’t lock down for economic reasons, but what a price! In Australia we can be so thankful. I believe Australia is going to help with vaccinations.

So we should as we have excess AZ, due to expire. We should be moving these doses to our immediate neighbours as quickly as possible.

 

[bcworld]

So we should as we have excess AZ, due to expire. We should be moving these doses to our immediate neighbours as quickly as possible.

Similar was mentioned on ABC news (or 730) tonight. There the main subject was about the numbers of hospital staff who are falling seriously ill or dying despite being fully vaccinated with Sinovac.

 

[Batterytraveller]

Vaccine efficacy declines over time, but more against mild disease than hospitalisation. I think we already knew boosters would be a thing, I just hope the bloke in charge* knows this too.

*Is it scomo, is it the very angry looking general, is it barnaby, is it gladys, Dan?

Pfizer Shot Halts Severe Illness in Israel as Delta Spreads

Pfizer Inc.’s vaccine was less effective at keeping people from getting the coronavirus in Israel in recent weeks, but it continues to provide a strong shield against severe Covid-19, according to government data.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[Lynda2475]

So we should as we have excess AZ, due to expire. We should be moving these doses to our immediate neighbours as quickly as possible.

Those that were due to expire went to PNG (our closest neighbour) and Fiji.

On ABC yesterday arvo they said they wont be donating large volumes to Indonesia until AZ is phased out in October, as are reserving doses for second shots and the pacific island nations who are part of the commonwealth that we traditionally support.

 

[RAM]

Those that were due to expire went to PNG (our closest neighbour) and Fiji.

On ABC yesterday arvo they said they wont be donating large volumes to Indonesia until AZ is phased out in October, as are reserving doses for second shots and the pacific island nations who are part of the commonwealth that we traditionally support.

Isn't it somewhat hypocritical for Australia to recommend that people under 60 living in Australia should use Pfizer not AZ. So the many tens of thousands of Pacific Islanders living in Australia (many sending money back to their extended families) are being told it is not recommended to use AZ if under 60 but it would be OK for their under 60 yr old family members back home to use it?

The median age for Pacific Islanders still living in the various Pacific Island nations is under 25 yrs old. The proportion aged 60+ is a fraction of that in Australia. A little over one week's production (If AZ is actually producing the contracted 1 million per week) would fully cover that cohort.

To say give them the AZ sounds like a blast from worst Colonial past. India on the other hand has hundreds of millions yet to be vaccinated aged over 60 as does Indonesia, The Philipines etc.

 

[kamchatsky]

Well the new Lambda variant could be resistant to vaccines:

COVID-19: The 'unusual' new variant that may be more infectious than Delta

Global health experts are concerned an 'unusual' mutation of the Lambda variant could be resistant to vaccines.

www.skynews.com.au