CATHAY to Codeshare on QANTAS Hong Kong Flights

[Mattg]

The ACCC has also responded, citing significant concerns over the effect this arrangement would have on competition in the Australia-HK market.

https://iasc.gov.au/applications/files/ACCC_submission_re_QF-CX_proposed_code_share_28Feb2019.pdf

 

[Mattg]

Latest response from Qantas:

https://iasc.gov.au/applications/files/201900315_PUBLIC_VERSION_IASC_Response_Hong_Kong.pdf

 

[Wanderlust_tim]

It makes me wonder what both VA and QF have submitted on the confidential versions.

Latest response from Qantas:

https://iasc.gov.au/applications/files/201900315_PUBLIC_VERSION_IASC_Response_Hong_Kong.pdf

Reading through the Qantas response this morning, and thinking very much as an outsider looking in, I wonder if one of the primary drivers of the request is that they are expecting 9W to go belly up and want to shore up their Indian route options.

 

[wandering_fred]

Reading through the Qantas response this morning, and thinking very much as an outsider looking in, I wonder if one of the primary drivers of the request is that they are expecting 9W to go belly up and want to shore up their Indian route options.

Perhaps supporting the rumors of QF SYD-CMB as well? Or a second MEL-CMB flight with UL?

Just wandering
Fred

 

[Himeno]

Reading through the Qantas response this morning, and thinking very much as an outsider looking in, I wonder if one of the primary drivers of the request is that they are expecting 9W to go belly up and want to shore up their Indian route options.

The tone of the document and the location of the redacted text would suggest that.
Though, you could also say that with QF wanting to codeshare on CX HKG-ICN flights, they might be looking to dump the QF367/368 codeshares on OZ.

 

[Wanderlust_tim]

The tone of the document and the location of the redacted text would suggest that.
Though, you could also say that with QF wanting to codeshare on CX HKG-ICN flights, they might be looking to dump the QF367/368 codeshares on OZ.

Taipei is listed on page 3, perhaps, the end of CI codeshares too?

 

[Mattg]

Further submissions from the ACCC and VA:

https://iasc.gov.au/applications/fi..._of_15.3.19_re_Cathay_Hong_Kong_Codeshare.pdf
https://iasc.gov.au/applications/fi...bmission_to_QF_response_March_2019_PUBLIC.pdf

 

[Himeno]

Qantas filed another submission.

https://iasc.gov.au/applications/files/QF_Follow_up Response_HKG.pdf

Seems like VA and QF are in a cycle of rebutting the others prior submission.

 

[pauly7]

Yawn approve it already

 

[Mattg]

Yawn approve it already

I honestly don't think this will get approved.

Virgin and the ACCC have made some fairly compelling arguments about why it shouldn't be. And the IASC has a history of not approving codeshares where it would result in airlines having an unreasonably high market share on the route, creating high barriers to entry to other airlines and/or pushing existing airlines out of the market.

 

[pauly7]

Only half of it needs approval correct? The first phase didn’t require approval was my understanding... just this expansion?

Selfishly I would like to see QF code on a few more CX Asia destinations, not so fussed about the AU/HK

 

[Limewood]

We in Cairns would like to see QF award flights flights to HKG on CX as its direct, its rare to see them anymore.

 

[serfty]

I booked a return trip on VA to HKG last night for $503 ($499 + $4 cc fee) - competition is tough ...

 

[pauly7]

I booked a return trip on VA to HKG last night for $503 ($499 + $4 cc fee) - competition is tough ...

Well they have to do something to fill their planes VA is only at about 65% capacity on this route

 

[Mattg]

The commission has tentatively rejected the QF/CX application.

If anyone wants to read a 30-page document explaining why, here it is: https://www.iasc.gov.au/applications/files/Draft_Decision_2019IASC204d_Hong_Kong_20190524.pdf

 

[serfty]

If anyone wants to read a 30-page document explaining why

Here's the crucial parts:

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Yes. I agree with the reasoning here.

QF can already code share. This application doesn't change that, so there must be a financial reason. In the long run this seems to be setting the passenger up for a disadvantage.

 

[Melburnian1]

In respect of the QF contention that if not approved, it couldn't offer connections for its passengers to India, aren't the 'natural' connecting routes to India via either Singapore or Bangkok, not Hong Kong?

 

[Mattg]

In respect of the QF contention that if not approved, it couldn't offer connections for its passengers to India, aren't the 'natural' connecting routes to India via either Singapore or Bangkok, not Hong Kong?

They were until Jet Airways collapsed...

 

[Melburnian1]

They were until Jet Airways collapsed...

The reason I said it was that I know someone who has booked on MI from SIN to Coimbatore or Cochin.