My empty container failed the LAGS check at MNL

[albatross710]

Was quite surprised last night at the gate bag search where they removed my empty 200ml bottle as it was not permitted by Australian LAGS. No water, just an empty container.

They directed me to the signage which said any container must be less than 100ml capacity. Technically correct I guess.

Is this a common occurrence?

Alby

 

[kpc]

I nesrly always carry an empty water bottle if travelling Y OS and never had a problem

 

[Captain Halliday]

We recently completed 18 sectors and every time we took an empty 500ml water bottle without a problem.

None of those sectors was departing MNL, but two were AU bound and three involved TSA.

 

[Happy Trails]

Actually, the published rules say otherwise:

Empty containers such as flasks or water bottles with a volume greater than 100ml can be carried through the screening point.

http://travelsecure.infrastructure....travelling-with-liquids-aerosols-and-gels.pdf

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Actually, the published rules say otherwise:

Empty containers such as flasks or water bottles with a volume greater than 100ml can be carried through the screening point.

http://travelsecure.infrastructure....travelling-with-liquids-aerosols-and-gels.pdf

That's interesting! guess folk surrenderng their water bottles at security is a carry-over from the old days? Although I dunno why security staff can't just tell people they can take them through?

Maybe those rules haven't made it through to all outstations.

 

[Happy Trails]

On the same page it says this, which if read in isolation could lead to confusion:

Any containers larger than 100ml or 100gm will need to be packed in your checked baggage or left behind.

I think the rationale used to be that the empty, larger, container could be used by evil-doers to mix the ingredients from the smaller containers.

 

[Austman]

What I think sometimes happens is that when you have a non empty water bottle, you can't always just drink/empty the contents at the check point and then take it through. I suppose some check points consider that there will be some LAG left in it – even if only drops – which technically fails the LAG rules.

And the check point decides to apply that logic to all opened but empty water bottles.

And you can't argue the point with them!

 

[Austman]

I checked the Aviation Transport Security Regulations 2005 and there's no restriction on containers in general.

Unless there is a LAG in that container. Then it must be a "LAG container".

 

[dajop]

I think the rationale used to be that the empty, larger, container could be used by evil-doers to mix the ingredients from the smaller containers.

As opposed to the (full) containers you can buy on the plane side of security at most airports , that couldn’t be used for same purpose.

 

[albatross710]

Cheers everyone and thanks Happy Trails for the link which I have bookmarked for next time.

The drive from my hotel to the airport can often be >2 hours, then with check-in immigration, security adding a variable time, plus the weather and temperature I find I need a drink and usually limited options at the airport before clearing all of the above. (Saturday's drive was 4 hours)

So, over time I use my water bottle as a security benchmark. When I'm departing MNL my half filled water bottle will 75% of the time get through the scanner checkpoints. It was funny this time that my completely empty bottle got taken.

It's more fun in the Philippines.

Alby

 

[whughes3]

So, over time I use my water bottle as a security benchmark. When I'm departing MNL my half filled water bottle will 75% of the time get through the scanner checkpoints. It was funny this time that my completely empty bottle got taken.

It's more fun in the Philippines.

Alby

That rings true: on several occasions I recall flying out of MNL with a full 500ml water bottle (relic of the inbound flight) in my carryon.

 

[serfty]

Had it happen once at AUH before an EY flight to Oz.

Even with a wrong interpretation, there is little you can do other than surrender it.

 

[mannej]

Had it happen once at AUH before an EY flight to Oz.

Even with a wrong interpretation, there is little you can do other than surrender it.

You can turn it into a spectacle...

Framed, Arrested and Robbed by the Police in Frankfurt: A Not-So Funny Thing Happened on my Way to the Forum in Delhi | HuffPost

 

[Anna]

I had an officious security person at CDG once who wanted me to ditch my empty water bottle. The supervisor saw what she was doing and overrode it. Said an empty bottle was fine.

 

[blackcat20]

Given there are often fountains specifically to fill up your bottle after security, it seems someone was a little overzealous.

 

[JohnK]

As opposed to the (full) containers you can buy on the plane side of security at most airports , that couldn’t be used for same purpose.

One of the biggest bluffs of modern times.

You cannot carry sealed water through security but you can buy the same brand on the other side and be ripped off.

How they got away with that one I will never know.

 

[Austman]

How they got away with that one I will never know.

The LAGs on sale at airport shops, after a LAG check-point, have gone though another LAG law process. They:

(i) undergo security screening at the point of entry to the airport; and
(ii) are protected from unlawful interference by a process of supply chain security from the time they are delivered to the airport;

 

[ethernet]

I got through security with 60ml of Lemon juice. I have the feeling they are concentrating on the dangerous cough.
My other trick is a 100ml plastic baggie with 'spirits'.

 

[drron]

You can now carry a full bottle of water through domestic security in Japan.They stick it in a little machine and if the green light comes on they give it back to you.Not done if an International departure.

 

[kpc]

I remember losing my empty water bottle at security but can't remember which aIrport...argued to no avail. If it comes back to me, I will edit this post