Vinomofo Wine Deals

[davegus]

VM never threatened to shut anything down, and I totally understand their point of view in terms of suppliers. I'd be interested to see what their views on RedBigot (no, this isn't a dig at RedBigot, I'm just interested) as it is a private forum that charges for membership (that I'm considering signing up to shortly!).

One thing to note is that they ask in the Ts and Cs that you cannot *post* it anywhere. This doesn't really include a private message to someone, asking a question perhaps about a certain wine that someone has ordered...? Because that is in the private domain.

 

[beefarmer]

I know they have shut down other forums where customers guessed their black market wines. Hope they don’t shut down this one!
I think it is hypocritical that VM created a whole business out of online/internet selling, but complains when their own customers use it as a tool to buy their products! Hey, you can’t have your cake and eat it too – or is it: you can’t have your wine and drink it too! (or sell it!)
If they don’t like it, they should change their business model!

Best response so far by StevietheFishy........I believe the genius who found out about the wine description on the delivery manifest is to be applauded by the VM folks who will surely now alter this aspect of the system. Similarly, if VM make the deal time frame shorter, it may alleviate all this anxiety. At the end of the day, Justin cares about turnover and its continuity. let me say that I have never met the bloke personally but the videos of blind drinking or whatever it's called are hilarious. You can gain a lot of insight into the characters of the Cru by watching these folks videos and doing a little research into their business model in the last few years. I am a fan of marketing philosophy and the maxim that there are only two things that sell in this world, sex and fear, hold true to all and VM have nailed the first for all of us with great deals. Who doesn't want to buy a fifty bucker shiraz for twenty? And if it isn't up to your liking, return it. I know i keep buying because my doctor is impressed with my gammas in my liver function tests. All normal and since red wine is proven to decrease your chance of an infarction or attack, we should all keep imbibing. Human nature dictates that we all love a mystery and a challenge so this website and others will always be guessing what the product is. Part of the fun of it all ! VM do say it is very addictive and they are right, but at least the pubs during the gold mining explosion of the middle late eighteen hundreds put coke or some other narcotic in their beer to keep the miners coming back for more. What do we get? Sensational product.....for a long time we hope. Next meeting....?

 

[tgh]

There has been a bit of a have's and have not's issue on this thread between the vim's and the wannabee's.
I'm not at all sure that I deserve to be , but I'm also quite grateful for the great deals and stellar service.
I'm a big fan of the 'fo and will be more thoughtful in future about what I say and when…

 

[davegus]

If it makes you feel any better, you'll go on the VIM list when you hit $1000 worth of spending! You just need to buy more!

 

[thommo87]

If it makes you feel any better, you'll go on the VIM list when you hit $1000 worth of spending! You just need to buy more!

How often do VIM emails/offers occur?

 

[StevietheFishy]

Ok ya’ all! Enough of this chit chat – get to work and tell us what this Secret Deal today is!

 

[Dr Ralph]

Hi Frequent Flyers,


Please feel free to contact us directly to by phone on 1300 846 666 or email to check availability of wine you've enjoyed or if you have any questions.

While we can understand that guessing the identity of Secret, Black Market and Contraband Deals is half the fun, please be aware that these deals need to stay secret, or we risk not being able to offer them in future.

Our producers supply these wines to us in these formats so it won't affect sales of the product in other channels - and understanding that we're not the only wine retailer, we agree to do our best to keep that secret. Yes, having the identity revealed would be beneficial for sales in all cases, but we want what is best for our customers in the long term, and that's by maintaining our strong supplier relationships. It's not in anyone's interest to jeopardise a wine producer's livelihood by adversely affecting their other sales.

Please see the wording from our site Terms and Conditions below.
"One of the most awesome things about Vinomofo are our secret and black market deals - these are deals so epic, wines so awesome, that the only way we can get them is by agreeing to keep the identity of the wine and the producer secret. We ask you to keep that secret with us. Please don't post it anywhere, even if you are super-excited about it."
This way, we'll all get to keep enjoying them. If we blow it, we won't be able to get these deals anymore. So let's work together, and respect our agreement with the producers of these awesome wines.

So please enjoy guessing, enjoy buying, enjoy referring each other, but if you could respect the producer and their wish for their wine's identity stay private on a public forum, both the producers and we will be most appreciative.

Cheers!
Michelle , Customer Team Manager
Vinomofo

The Terms and Conditions cannot bind anyone. They are not part of any contract between the parties.

I will say that I am happy to be bound by them if Vinomofo agrees to stop engaging in misleading and deceptive conduct with the information they post as part of the description of the secret deals! On far too many occasions, they get important details wrong!

 

[Abha93]

If it makes you feel any better, you'll go on the VIM list when you hit $1000 worth of spending! You just need to buy more!

$2000 I was told by the horse quite recently.

 

[AnonymousCoward]

The Terms and Conditions cannot bind anyone. They are not part of any contract between the parties.

Erm, don't you agree to abide by them when you sign up for an account? I'm sure that Vinomofo's under no obligation to sell you anything, and would be quite happy to close your account if you have some issue with their T&Cs

 

[Abha93]

Erm, don't you agree to abide by them when you sign up for an account? I'm sure that Vinomofo's under no obligation to sell you anything, and would be quite happy to close your account if you have some issue with their T&Cs

I'm pretty sure the Doc didn't sign up as "Dr Ralph" with VM.

 

[rawlax]

I'm pretty sure the Doc didn't sign up as "Dr Ralph" with VM.

And even if he did, you would want to be very sure before you disabled the account

 

[Dr Ralph]

Erm, don't you agree to abide by them when you sign up for an account?

Definitely not. You might want to do some reading about how contracts are formed online and the difference between click wrap and browse wrap agreements. I'd point you to some of the articles and book chapters that I have written in my professional capacity on this but that would then identify me! In short there is no way that the terms and condition (which by the way Vinomofo has incorrectly labelled. They are 'terms' only) can bind anyone who either looks at the site or who contracts with Vinomofo. They've been incredibly poorly advised if they think otherwise and if there's a problem I'm happy for anyone to PM me and we can talk about how I'm happy to represent you in any action necessary against Vinomofo (happy to work pro bono on this matter).

In short, no one should feel threatened or intimidated by Vinomofo's comments.

 

[Dr Ralph]

I'm pretty sure the Doc didn't sign up as "Dr Ralph" with VM.

Nope. Not that naive. For professional liability reasons I rarely do things in my name. I have a no liability company which I use.

 

[Stonewall]

Definitely not. You might want to do some reading about how contracts are formed online and the difference between click wrap and browse wrap agreements. I'd point you to some of the articles and book chapters that I have written in my professional capacity on this but that would then identify me! In short there is no way that the terms and condition (which by the way Vinomofo has incorrectly labelled. They are 'terms' only) can bind anyone who either looks at the site or who contracts with Vinomofo. They've been incredibly poorly advised if they think otherwise and if there's a problem I'm happy for anyone to PM me and we can talk about how I'm happy to represent you in any action necessary against Vinomofo (happy to work pro bono on this matter).

It is an interesting subject matter, but except for the fact it would identify you I would be interested to read those articles.

I think the posturing by Vinomofo is just that to keep their suppliers happy and to also preserve the illusion that the wine they sell is a super secret special deal. It is like catch of the day when really it is just clearance stock marketed as a special buy or at catch of the day sometimes it is not even that discounted. But slap catch of the day on it and a time limit and you will amazed at what it can do to drive consumer behavior.

That statement they put out is one to preserves that illusion. It is also a useful mechanism to hide the label of less known brands or less popular names that people would not normally consider.

 

[Tannin]

Note > forum > Vinomofo > Winemakers

It's OK. You made too much wine. We're cool with it. We don't think it makes you look bad. And you're certainly not alone.
So, hey, you have wine and we have money. Sell at the price we like and we'll buy it. You don't have to hide if you don't want to.

Love,
The Consumer

 

[Abha93]

Soooo..... The 2011 BMD WA Shiraz at $100.80/12.... My guess is it's the Byron & Harold "Rose & Thorns".

 

[beefarmer]

additional optionAbha, you could be right. you have obviously eliminated a few along the way. so did i......warner glen,cape mentelle,bellarmine,willoughby park,eagle vale,ashbrook estate,saracen. yes, this is a challenge indeed however we all know how lovely wa shiraz's can be...great medium weight, nice fruit, not overly oaked, and a lovely finesse and finish.......at 14.1, this is close. the only worry is the possibility of this w.a. shiraz being a blend from two areas. but as the good doctor has said, nothing quite like the red herring ! cheers, just buy the thing.


feet first anybody?

 

[Rocket09]

additional optionAbha, you could be right. you have obviously eliminated a few along the way. so did i......warner glen,cape mentelle,bellarmine,willoughby park,eagle vale,ashbrook estate,saracen. yes, this is a challenge indeed however we all know how lovely wa shiraz's can be...great medium weight, nice fruit, not overly oaked, and a lovely finesse and finish.......at 14.1, this is close. the only worry is the possibility of this w.a. shiraz being a blend from two areas. but as the good doctor has said, nothing quite like the red herring ! cheers, just buy the thing.


feet first anybody?

Not I. Since you fine peoples introduced me to Kemenys a week or so ago I spent my months wine allowance on my first order with them! Do love WA reds though.

 

[AnonymousCoward]

I'm pretty sure the Doc didn't sign up as "Dr Ralph" with VM.

Dr Ralph isn't a legal entity AFAIK - the human who is posting and/or buying from VM are the relevant legal entities.

 

[AnonymousCoward]

In short there is no way that the terms and condition (which by the way Vinomofo has incorrectly labelled. They are 'terms' only) can bind anyone who either looks at the site or who contracts with Vinomofo.

I'm not talking about browsing their site. Or contracting to buy the wine. I'm talking about the positive action of opening an account with their website. Just like opening an account here - you agree to abide by whatever terms the owners of this site determine, and if you don't, then they close your account and tell you to f*ck off.

Edit: to be clear, I'm not suggesting that VM has a legitimate basis for suing someone - I'm just saying that they have no obligation to sell you wine, or let you have an account with them. They can just close your account.