F Lounge access for WP flying QF codeshare on non-OW airlines

[defurax]

I would like to know if any WP here have accessed the F lounge in MEL or SYD recently whilst flying on a QF flight operated by a non-OW airline (e.g CZ, CI, SB, VN, etc).

I'm asking because the wording of the access rules for WP changed recently and I'm not 100% sure what it means...

[TABLE="class: basic, width: 500"]
[TR]
[TH="colspan: 2"]Eligible Qantas Members[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]Platinum One Frequent Flyer[/TH]
[TD]Next onward flight must be on a Qantas^, Emirates^, Jetstar Airlines+ or oneworld flight number.#
One guest allowed and must be travelling with the member on the same flight.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: last"]
[TH]Platinum Frequent Flyer[/TH]
[TD]Next onward flight must be on a Qantas^, Emirates^, Jetstar Airlines+ or oneworld operated and marketed flight. #
One guest allowed and must be travelling with the member on the same flight.[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[KitKat]

WP the new Gold!

 

[RichardMEL]

^ Lounge access eligibility is based on the class of travel, Qantas club membership or the Frequent Flyer Membership tier for your next onward flight.

this SUGGESTS that as long as you can prove your SB or VN or whatever flight was booked/bought under the QF number and you're WP that you CAN use the lounge.

My last EK flight with a QF code showed on the BP the QF codeshare number so it was clear. Who knows what VN or SB (etc) do. I have seen other carriers print the purchased flight# on it (eg: I once purchased an AY code on CX metal MEL-HKG, BP showed clearly AYxx_x) so I would think if you could show it, under those rules the Platnum rule would apply ie: Plat with a QF#

It isn't that clear though to be sure.

 

[defurax]

^ Lounge access eligibility is based on the class of travel, Qantas club membership or the Frequent Flyer Membership tier for your next onward flight.

this SUGGESTS that as long as you can prove your SB or VN or whatever flight was booked/bought under the QF number and you're WP that you CAN use the lounge.

My last EK flight with a QF code showed on the BP the QF codeshare number so it was clear. Who knows what VN or SB (etc) do. I have seen other carriers print the purchased flight# on it (eg: I once purchased an AY code on CX metal MEL-HKG, BP showed clearly AYxx_x) so I would think if you could show it, under those rules the Platnum rule would apply ie: Plat with a QF#

It isn't that clear though to be sure.

Yes, when flying QF codeshare on SB the BP clearly shows a prominent QF flight number. What made me questioned accessibility is the different requirement for WP1 and WP. The fact that for WP1 the word "operated" is missing. But I'm starting to think it's just another IT/website error, because according to the website WP1 have more restrictive access rules to enter BNE J lounge than BNE F lounge:

Intl J lounge

[TABLE="class: basic, width: 500"]
[TR]
[TH]Platinum One Frequent Flyer[/TH]
[TD]Next onward flight must be on a Qantas^, Emirates^, Jetstar Airlines+ or oneworld operated and marketed flight.#
One guest allowed and must be travelling with the member on the same flight.[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Intl F lounge

[TABLE="class: basic, width: 500"]
[TR]
[TH]Platinum One Frequent Flyer[/TH]
[TD]Next onward flight must be on a Qantas^, Emirates^, Jetstar Airlines+ or oneworld flight number.#
One guest allowed and must be travelling with the member on the same flight.[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[RichardMEL]

I see what you mean now. hmmm the wording is very specific, but I still think if Plat can get in under the worded rules (a SB flight is QF marketed with a QF#) then WP1 can get in. It would be a real knob who somehow decided the other way around made some sort of sense.

Good luck with your lounge entry. I would think being at least WP and a QF flight number, even if not on oneworld (the sentence structure reads to me they mean QF OR oneworld marketed flight, not QF *and* OW) should be the base ruling.

 

[defurax]

Good luck with your lounge entry. I would think being at least WP and a QF flight number, even if not on oneworld (the sentence structure reads to me they mean QF OR oneworld marketed flight, not QF *and* OW) should be the base ruling.

I would be p*$ssed if I don't get access, especially considering that I never paid attention if I was booking QF or SB metal in the past since lounge access was clearly based on QF flight number only.

But what would really p*$s me off is that "Defuraxette" only has F lounge access once or twice a year when travelling with me and this is kind of part of our Xmas vacations.

 

[amaroo]

WP the new Gold!

I'd like your post ... but that would be sending the wrong message. You appear to be spot on!

Accumulating OWE with another airline is starting to look like a safety net....

 

[medhead]

Marketed and operated seems pretty clear.

 

[defurax]

Marketed and operated seems pretty clear.

By that you mean that WP losing access to the F lounge when buying a QF codeshare on CZ, CI, SB or VN is "pretty clear"? The new Asian codeshare strategy of QF to have more direct QF flights to China will mean no F lounge access for WP?

My point is that it used to be crystal clear that any flight with a QF number was enough to grant lounge access.

 

[serfty]

Marketed and operated seems pretty clear.

... Sadly I concur ...

...
My point is that it used to be crystal clear that any flight with a QF number was enough to grant lounge access.

It is crystal clear - as I indicated in the other thread, this looks like an "Enhancement" in the true way Qantas have taught us to despise!:evil:

 

[defurax]

... Sadly I concur ...

So it makes sense that WP1 would not be allowed in BNE J lounge, but they would have access to the F lounge as noted in post #4?

 

[serfty]

So it makes sense that WP1 would not be allowed in BNE J lounge, but they would have access to the F lounge as noted in post #4?

No it doesn't - but given the nature of the changes it seems obvious to me that Qantas are trying to restrict WP from using the First Lounges.

I would be happy to be supplied with a different interpretation as I don't like this as a change.

 

[medhead]

By that you mean that WP losing access to the F lounge when buying a QF codeshare on CZ, CI, SB or VN is "pretty clear"? The new Asian codeshare strategy of QF to have more direct QF flights to China will mean no F lounge access for WP?

My point is that it used to be crystal clear that any flight with a QF number was enough to grant lounge access.

No, by that I mean that the words have a clear meaning. It is not a comment about losing access or any of that other stuff. But on that topic it is just another step towards my predicted merging of gold and platinum.

 

[RichardMEL]

Sadly the more I look at it yes I think it's saying WP1's can get in with a QF#, but WP have to get in on a QF# and a OW operated flight/JQ(with the silly bundle) and EK flight.

I still feel that the Qantas^ is the key because it suggests to me anyway, that a WP could still claim that a SB operated flight is a QANTAS FLIGHT with a QF#. You purchased QF321(or whatever) from X to Y and as far as you're concerned it's a QF flight (so oneworld doesn't come into it). The ^ then goes on to basically say it's CoS/QC membership or FF STATUS that applies... the fact that for WP it says ".... or oneworld marketed and operated flight" is the OR so it's EITHER the QF "flight" (and this is the key to the interpretation argument imho) OR Emirates^ OR Jetstar OR oneworld.
I can see an argument for the use of the "or" in the line, but it's pretty weak.

I admit it's been years since I studied the precedence of expressions in English structure, but I think the big fat or in there suggests a case of either/or not and. I do agree though that the WP1 definition seems clearer to ANY QF# which then suggests WP is more limited, despite the above.

reading this has given me a headache!

Of course you can see they will take the most limiting definition they can.

 

[medhead]

Actually did this subject come up sometime in the last 6 months? I thought Red Roo said it was a mistake.

How long has this change been on the website?

 

[defurax]

Actually did this subject come up sometime in the last 6 months? I thought Red Roo said it was a mistake.

How long has this change been on the website?

Not sure when the change happened, I noticed when I looked at the webpage for the new F lounge at TBIT.
Although if they don't let me in I won't be able to emulate this reaction: Tara Palmer-Tomkinson 'arrested by armed police at Heathrow'* | Daily Mail Online because I'm bald!

 

[serfty]

...

How long has this change been on the website?

I first noticed it when checking access for the LAX TBIT First Lounge late last week.

 

[wingspan]

I think there are many mistakes on the website as the following also appears for several lounges:
[TABLE="class: basic, width: 500"]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #F5F5F5, colspan: 2"]Eligible Qantas Members[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]Platinum One Frequent Flyer
[/TH]
[TD]Must be travelling on any flight the same day that shows Qantas^, Emirates^, Jetstar Airlines+ or a oneworld flight number on your ticket.
Two guests allowed and do not need to be travelling.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: alt"]
[TH]Platinum Frequent Flyer
[/TH]
[TD]Must be travelling on any flight the same day that shows Qantas^, Emirates^, Jetstar Airlines+ or a oneworld operated or marketed flight.
Two guests allowed and do not need to be travelling.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Anyway, it's all a bit ambiguous, but I think what they mean to say is that WPs must be traveling on a flight that has a QF, EK, JQ (or 3K etc) flight number OR a flight on another OW carrier that is marketed and operated by OW carriers (e.g. so you can be on an AA flight number on a QF flight out of SYD, but not a CX flight number on a NZ flight out of AKL).

 

[woodborer]

To me it reads that a Qantas Platinum member gets access if on a Qantas Flight number, a Jetstar Flight number, an Emirates Flight number, or a oneworld operated and marketed flight. I think that the 'operated and marketed' clause only belongs to the oneWorld access, not to the Qantas Flight access.

 

[JessicaTam]

Sadly the more I look at it yes I think it's saying WP1's can get in with a QF#, but WP have to get in on a QF# and a OW operated flight/JQ(with the silly bundle) and EK flight.

I still feel that the Qantas^ is the key because it suggests to me anyway, that a WP could still claim that a SB operated flight is a QANTAS FLIGHT with a QF#. You purchased QF321(or whatever) from X to Y and as far as you're concerned it's a QF flight (so oneworld doesn't come into it). The ^ then goes on to basically say it's CoS/QC membership or FF STATUS that applies... the fact that for WP it says ".... or oneworld marketed and operated flight" is the OR so it's EITHER the QF "flight" (and this is the key to the interpretation argument imho) OR Emirates^ OR Jetstar OR oneworld.
I can see an argument for the use of the "or" in the line, but it's pretty weak.

I admit it's been years since I studied the precedence of expressions in English structure, but I think the big fat or in there suggests a case of either/or not and. I do agree though that the WP1 definition seems clearer to ANY QF# which then suggests WP is more limited, despite the above.

reading this has given me a headache!

Of course you can see they will take the most limiting definition they can.

My take on the 'or' is that lounge access is permitted if any of the following are met:

• A Qantas operated and marketed flight
• An Emirates operated and marketed flight
• A Jetstar operated and marketed flight
• A OneWorld operated and marketed flight #

Now my interpretation is based on the grammar of the sentence, and without knowledge of what the # represents.

I earnestly hope that this is not what is actually intended.