Sydney Airport scraps plans for alliance-based mega-terminals

[SteveJohnson]

Wow, this is a big turnaround for Sydney Airport after all the PR they spun out on their plan to create terminals based on airline alliances!

Sydney Airport scraps plans for alliance-based mega-terminals - Flights | hotels | frequent flyer | business class - Australian Business Traveller

 

[thewinchester]

No surprise here. The proposal was entirely unworkable, plus EK getting cosy with QF threw a big spanner in the works.

The whole quarantine/customs issues alone created by the proposal would have required a change in how resources were allocated and positioned, also creating massive duplication and additional costs. I doubt very much SACL was going to cover those costs.

 

[docjames]

A tunnel with travellator or some form of constant moving form (think chair lift / seating) would go a long way to fixing the transfer issue. The 20-30 wait then the transit time is a PITA. If you coul virtually just "go" you'd be there in the 20-30 mins you spend waiting for the stupid bus / train (if not on qf).

 

[samh004]

A better idea would be building a new airport away from residential areas and yada yada yada...


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[Pleb Status]

A better idea would be building a new airport away from residential areas and yada yada yada...


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The best idea would be those who move to a property under a known flight path should be made to sign a document which prohibits them whining about the aircraft noise.

 

[SteveJohnson]

The better-than-best idea would be to sell all homes under the flight path to deaf people.

 

[anat0l]

And with that, we thus start another thread about (1) Sydney and more flying accommodation, and (2) Sydney's curfew.


If the solution was unworkable, then it'd be interesting to see what SACL has in mind instead. Of course, I could never take SACL seriously anyway.

I suppose QF will retain ownership of T3 after all, unless of course it decides to sell it to raise revenue.

 

[samh004]

The better-than-best idea would be to sell all homes under the flight path to deaf people.

I think they'd feel the vibrations.

 

[dajop]

A tunnel with travellator or some form of constant moving form (think chair lift / seating) would go a long way to fixing the transfer issue. The 20-30 wait then the transit time is a PITA. If you coul virtually just "go" you'd be there in the 20-30 mins you spend waiting for the stupid bus / train (if not on qf).

A automated people mover, tunneled under the runway would do the trick, from the space between T2 & T3 across to T1, it's what 1-1.5km? At 30 kph it could do the journey in 3 minutes, run a train every 5 mins. Probably cost a fortune, but could always just add a levy on air tickets/car parking/taxis/retail/F&B outlets etc. ....

 

[moa999]

No need for a tunnel, just track a driver less tram it around the fence (maybe from above T2, over T3, then down to ground for the trek to T1), similar to where the existing bus goes...maybe only tunneling (for safety reasons) under the main runway approach

I think the interesting thing will be which expansion will be approved.

I forsee the QF hangers moving to the new infield position as proposed.
New QF arm at the T3 domestic replacing the hangers. JQ moves to T3, freeing up space for DJ/TT in T2.

Maybe some form of lower immigration reqt flights to New Zealand could move to T2/T3 (as has been previously proposed)

I suspect DJ were the biggest complainers about the terminal proposal... Adding an extra 5 min, $5 in taxi charges to the city would make a difference for some.

 

[Timba-Jet]

Agree developing a reliable, affordable and efficient link between the terminals is the way to go. Enough of this bus transfer stuffing around.

 

[Limewood]

A automated people mover, it could do the journey in 3 minutes, run a train every 5 mins. Pr

Yep one trip to Hong Kong will show them how to build and operate a real efficient underground rail system, they leave about every 3 minutes on time!. Maybe they could get MTR to build it, probably take less than 12 months.

 

[serfty]

"Metro" now run the Melbourne suburban train system and it is much more reliable than what it was before they took over.

I believe they are the same mob who run the HKG MTR.

Posted on a wing and a prayer ...

 

[beardoc]

Is it just me, or does that linked article mention that the proposal for alliance-based grouping at SYD has been scrapped, and then goes on to describe the scrapped proposal in detail? Or is that just me missing the point?

 

[oz_mark]

Is it just me, or does that linked article mention that the proposal for alliance-based grouping at SYD has been scrapped, and then goes on to describe the scrapped proposal in detail? Or is that just me missing the point?

My takaway from the article was that the alliance based grouping was being scrapped. However, the plan for the two integrated terminals was still on the table. It was just that the groupings of airlines wasn't going to be based on alliance grounds.

 

[whatmeworry]

"Metro" now run the Melbourne suburban train system and it is much more reliable than what it was before they took over.

I believe they are the same mob who run the HKG MTR.

Posted on a wing and a prayer ...

It does help when they have manipulated the timetable and skip stations!

FRA driverless light rail between the two terminals could be used as an example of how to connect the terminal's.

 

[dajop]

It does help when they have manipulated the timetable and skip stations!

FRA driverless light rail between the two terminals could be used as an example of how to connect the terminal's.

Plenty of examples. SIN, HKG, KUL, PEK, ICN, JFK, EWR, NRT, MIA, ATL, MSP, ORD, DFW, MAD, SFO are the ones that immediately come to mind, I'm sure there are others. Some are internal, some external, some carry different carriages for airside and landside pax. Not sure if they are all driverless, IIRC most are.

 

[markis10]

I am sure there is a cheap monorail available that could be made to go underground ??

 

[Mrmaxwell]

While a bank owns SYD nothing will ever happen that does not benefit the profits of SACL - plain and simple.

 

[serfty]

It does help when they have manipulated the timetable and skip stations! ...

Irrespective the service is much more reliable than two years ago - and more frequent.

I doubt there'll be any substantial 'tracked' infrastructure built as part of any SYD redevelopment.