Wine lovers musings, amusings and news

[Daver6]

Heya everyone

Wynns Coonawarra Estate Black Label Shiraz 2012
I have found a case of this that i bought in 2020 on special., that i forgot about, and its been sitting.in the cupboard

Im thinking of donating it to.friends, or if i put it in the wine fridge for 5 -10 more years, could it turn into.something amazing?

Im not a huge wine drinker so if its a cheap average wine, im happy to pass on it but if cellaring will amazify it, then happy to

Personally I would not be cellaring more. Try a bottle. Probably getting past its drink by date.

It should go another decade with ease if stored correctly. Should be drinking well now with time to go.

I'd be more concerned if its just been sitting in a cupboard. If it's got hot in summer fair chance the wine is past it. Only way to tell is crack a bottle and see what it's like. Most importantly, do you like it.

 

[burmans]

It’s an underrated wine IMO, I would not be giving it away but yes, drinking soonish. Not super urgent, it may last a while but I doubt it will get any better.

 

[Bill Bosworth]

It’s an underrated wine IMO, I would not be giving it away but yes, drinking soonish. Not super urgent, it may last a while but I doubt it will get any better.

Halliday said drink by 2032 and 2012 was a good year. If the cupboard temp has been relatively stable it should be lovely. Your friends are lucky!

 

[Daver6]

Halliday said drink by 2032 and 2012 was a good year. If the cupboard temp has been relatively stable it should be lovely. Your friends are lucky!

Stable and below 20C or so. Stable and 25C is unlikely to end well.

 

[SOPOOR]

It should go another decade with ease if stored correctly. Should be drinking well now with time to go.

I'd be more concerned if its just been sitting in a cupboard. If it's got hot in summer fair chance the wine is past it. Only way to tell is crack a bottle and see what it's like. Most importantly, do you like it.

It’s an underrated wine IMO, I would not be giving it away but yes, drinking soonish. Not super urgent, it may last a while but I doubt it will get any better.

Thanks guys, looks like next semi special event ill be opening it at a bbq or a gathering

 

[Daver6]

Thanks guys, looks like next semi special event ill be opening it at a bbq or a gathering

Report back and let us know if you enjoyed it Also, Monday is a special day...just saying

 

[VPS]

Did everyone on CellarTracker get this - or am I special....

​ ​ ​ ​ Hi Steady,   As one of our most engaged members, we’re excited to offer you exclusive early access to something brand new: CellarChat, Powered by CellarTracker Insights. Think of CellarChat as your personal wine assistant—AI powered by CellarTracker insights and built around your very own cellar. It helps you explore, choose, and manage your collection like never before. ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ Here’s just a taste of what you can ask: “Which wines from my cellar pair best with spicy Thai?” “What’s ready to drink for a quiet night in, under $80?” “Which region have I been drinking the most from?” “Help me pick 3-4 wines for a seafood dinner party" You've been selected to try it first! You are exclusively invited as one of our most engaged members. To try this new feature, subscribe on the new mobile app. Be one of the first to try CellarChat before it rolls out more broadly. This is your chance to experience a smarter, more fun way to enjoy your collection! Scan or tap the QR code to get started​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​   This email was sent to Steady@Steady You are currently subscribed to receive emails from CellarTracker. You can update your email preference here or if you do not wish to receive any communication from CellarTracker unsubscribe here .​ ​ © 2025 CellarTracker! LLC. All rights reserved. Contact Us​   ​

Not me

 

[Bill Bosworth]

Stable and below 20C or so. Stable and 25C is unlikely to end well.

Not quibbling given how limited my reading is but interested in the evidence on how much quicker degradation is at a stable 25 than a stable 20. Show me the curves!

 

[tielec]

Not quibbling given how limited my reading is but interested in the evidence on how much quicker degradation is at a stable 25 than a stable 20. Show me the curves!

If you mean scientific evidence then its limited for wine specifically although there is some Australian research, but there is a body of research into the exponential speed of chemical reactions as temperature rises. IIRC the number of reactions double every 5 degrees above zero, and 25 is where it starts to take off.

Anecdotal evidence is overwhelming, if you can accept that. Having tried identical wines from different cellaring conditions two things seem plainly true to me in this regard:
1. Screw caps are a superior closure
2. Stable temps below 20 are required for consistent aging of wine beyond 5 years

But that's just my opinion.