Why OH Y? [Y PAX using J lavatories]

[SRS65]

Who are the culprits? Those that use common sense about which toilet to use?

Common sense is a valid argument in this case when it is applied to knowing and acknowledging that you have been assigned a cabin class and that is the cabin you reside in and the facilities you use.

 

[JohnK]

Common sense is a valid argument in this case when it is applied to knowing and acknowledging that you have been assigned a cabin class and that is the cabin you reside in and the facilities you use.

The ratio of 2 toilets for 162 passengers and 1 toilet for 12 passengers is very lopsided.

Then we have the carts. And emergencies. And queues down the back where it makes sense to refer passengers to front toilet close to descent.

I think some get precious about what they believe their rights are in flight. Some even think economy class passengers shouldn't be given champagne from the front in case they drink it dry and there's none left for business class passengers later.

If the business class toilet is unservicable can you use the toilet down the back and inconvenience econony class passengers?

Anyway when I book my economy seat I don't bother reading the entitlements of those sitting at the front. I'll use which ever toilet I feel is appropriate at the time based on crew direction. If you don't like it send Qantas some feedback along with priority luggage, priority boarding etc.

 

[stm1sydney]

I'll use which ever toilet I feel is appropriate at the time based on crew direction.

Well, at the start of the flight, the crew directed Y pax to use the Y toilets.

 

[SRS65]

The ratio of 2 toilets for 162 passengers and 1 toilet for 12 passengers is very lopsided.

Then we have the carts. And emergencies. And queues down the back where it makes sense to refer passengers to front toilet close to descent.

I think some get precious about what they believe their rights are in flight. Some even think economy class passengers shouldn't be given champagne from the front in case they drink it dry and there's none left for business class passengers later.

If the business class toilet is unservicable can you use the toilet down the back and inconvenience econony class passengers?

Anyway when I book my economy seat I don't bother reading the entitlements of those sitting at the front. I'll use which ever toilet I feel is appropriate at the time based on crew direction. If you don't like it send Qantas some feedback along with priority luggage, priority boarding etc.

Agree with your thoughts there JohnK - especially "based on crew direction" which shows you have the respect to a) ask prior entering the J cabin. b) only do this when absolutely necessary respecting the crews direction of which toilets are for which cabin class use.

 

[Pleb Status]

Anyway when I book my economy seat I don't bother reading the entitlements of those sitting at the front. I'll use which ever toilet I feel is appropriate at the time based on crew direction.

A more verbose way of saying 'F#*k you all', it is all about me.

We cut through all of the 'excuses' in the end at least...

 

[TonyHancock]

Or someone else is paying for the flight. Yes @TonyHancock I'll bring tha t up as it's extremely relevant.

mmmmm an interesting twist, so I think what I am hearing is that the toilet at the front should be for J pax and self funded pax in Y. Personally I'd like to see airlines go a stage further and have a dedicated "en suite" just for me.

 

[Vic]

It's ok, don't worry. I'm flying business later today. I'll make sure to get swilled in the lounge and guzzle the on board booze so I can make 2 or 3 trips to the back, and pay back all those people who want to rise above their station...

 

[RichardMEL]

On a single aisle a/c like a 737 (in QF config of 3 rows of J) the notion of "disturbing the peace and quiet" of the J cabin is a tad laughable imo. I've been on many a flight without people coming up from Y with enough noise from either those in J chatting, or using devices with poor headphones (or even worse, none!) or simple chatter from the front of Y that it's hardly like you're in your private suite at the front of F.

This is what noise cancelling headphones are for.

Frankly I've observed more distraction/disturbence on some flights from kids playing loud games or people eatching films loudly or drinking and talking(nothing wrong with this per se, I've had one or two flight long convos in recent times with seatmates )... but it's hardly like it's going to be a fully quiet cabin

 

[MEL_Traveller]

On a single aisle a/c like a 737 (in QF config of 3 rows of J) the notion of "disturbing the peace and quiet" of the J cabin is a tad laughable imo.

They seem to manage it well in Asia with plenty of Chinese carriers (and Cathay Dragon) having small 8-12 seat J/F cabins.

Tightly fastened cabin dividers and a nice peaceful cabin.

 

[JohnK]

A more verbose way of saying 'F#*k you all', it is all about me.

We cut through all of the 'excuses' in the end at least...

No it's not and you know it.

@MEL_Traveller goes as far as saying economy passengers should think about going to the toilet in the terminal just in case they need to go when the food cart is out and not disturb the entitled sitting at the front.

Its just a toilet.

 

[Pleb Status]

No it's not and you know it.

Yes it is and we all knew it from the start. I was just waiting for the admission to call it.

What sealed the verdict was the line, if you do not like it, call the cops (or QF in thls case)....

 

[SRS65]

No it's not and you know it.

@MEL_Traveller goes as far as saying economy passengers should think about going to the toilet in the terminal just in case they need to go when the food cart is out and not disturb the entitled sitting at the front.

Its just a toilet.

UPDATE: It's just the J cabin toilet !!!

 

[FL360]

I am sure the cabin crew are well trained to spot a "real" emergency from a Y passenger, should they REALLY, REALLY need to use the front, priority J toilets, rather than queuing at the back.

If I am sitting in J at that time I will let them use it too !
just imagine if that passenger cannot wait and...… leaked....

 

[MEL_Traveller]

@MEL_Traveller goes as far as saying economy passengers should think about going to the toilet in the terminal just in case they need to go when the food cart is out and not disturb the entitled sitting at the front.

Not quite It wasn't about disturbing pax sitting in the front, it was challenging the 'we can't control ourselves' with the question of how people manage to commute to work in the morning. (Ans: they go before they leave home.)

(After a 2.5 hour ground delay a few years back where everyone had to remain seated I do go in the terminal before boarding... no matter which class!)

 

[Zac_AU]

The ratio of 2 toilets for 162 passengers and 1 toilet for 12 passengers is very lopsided.

So is the cost of $269 for a discount economy ticket vs $2000 for a business class ticket Perth to Sydney.

Anyway when I book my economy seat I don't bother reading the entitlements of those sitting at the front

Perhaps you should pay more attention to the entitlements of the ticket you bought, rather than worrying about others?

 

[Pushka]

This is what AA/Eagle Airlines used this morning! A net

 

[malmac]

I made a mistake and used the first class toilets when seated in business class on an international long haul flight. Woke from a sleep saw the toilet sign and proceeded to use them, yes behind a curtain near a galley. When I walked out a steward came to me and said “these are first class toilets don’t use them again in an angry tone”. Whilst this was a simple half alseep mistake by me I didn’t need his snobbish tone. So replied “well why is there a toilet sign indicating vacant engaged my side of the cabin”. To this no reply.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

So replied “well why is there a toilet sign indicating vacant engaged my side of the cabin”. To this no reply.

The sign is likely connected to the WC in the rear of the business class cabin, rather than the forward cabin (same same in economy, where the bulkhead WC signs actually refer to those furhter back, not forward).

 

[ozrick33]

On a flight last week from Gold Coast to Sydney I was instructed to use the J toilet even though I was in Y. She was quite emphatic.

 

[FL360]

I would advise those who worry so much about this "Y pax using J toilets" incidents should forget this immediately.

as obviously this has tainted their J class travel memory... so just forget it.

Y passengers will always be Y passengers, and FAs will always be FAs - some care and some don't. (and probably some FAs probably don't like J pax at all - as some of them are quite snobbery).