Why can't through flights with same # be booked separately?

[aus_flyer]

Why can't through flights that have the same flight number be booked as separate segments?

For example, you can't booked QF108 JFK-LAX and then QF108 LAX-SYD.
Must be booked as JFK-SYD QF108.

Anyone know why?

Thanks

 

[opusman]

Because then you would get more SCs and FF points than you would otherwise?

 

[oz_mark]

Yield management of the three separate markets the flight serves

See Qantas Industry Sales Site - Policies and Procedures - Combining Flights

 

[aus_flyer]

Yield management of the three separate markets the flight serves

See Qantas Industry Sales Site - Policies and Procedures - Combining Flights

Having read the wording, you would think frequent flyer tickets should probably be an exception (??)

 

[stuartfaz]

I believe it's because Qantas have eighth freedom rights on this particular route, meaning that Qantas is only allowed by law to sell LAX-JFK routes provided it connects to an international service to/from Australia.

The right to carry passengers or cargo within a foreign country with continuing service to or from one's own country.

Because they don't meet the requirements to operate as a domestic airline in the US, they are not permitted to sell standalone tickets between LAX and JFK.

 

[aus_flyer]

I believe it's because Qantas have eighth freedom rights on this particular route, meaning that Qantas is only allowed by law to sell LAX-JFK routes provided it connects to an international service to/from Australia.

Because they don't meet the requirements to operate as a domestic airline in the US, they are not permitted to sell standalone tickets between LAX and JFK.

I meant booking both segments in the same booking, as a connection

 

[stuartfaz]

Why can't through flights that have the same flight number be booked as separate segments?

For example, you can't booked QF108 JFK-LAX and then QF108 LAX-SYD.
Must be booked as JFK-SYD QF108.

I meant booking both segments in the same booking, as a connection

I think it can only be booked as JFK-SYD, no matter whether its a normal sale or FFP redemption, because Qantas don't have the right by US law to seperate the flight segments.

Booking it as SYD-LAX LAX-JFK, regardless of the fact that they are pretty much the same flight, would technically be stepping out of QFs eighth freedom rights and would break US law.

 

[Evan]

Always also look on the bright side of things... means you can book JFK-(LAX)-SYD as a single segment in the *ONE3/4/5/6 type fares
E

 

[NM]

I believe it's because Qantas have eighth freedom rights on this particular route, meaning that Qantas is only allowed by law to sell LAX-JFK routes provided it connects to an international service to/from Australia.

Because they don't meet the requirements to operate as a domestic airline in the US, they are not permitted to sell standalone tickets between LAX and JFK.

There is no requirement for it to be a "connection". They can only sell the domestic segments (LAX-JFK and JFK-LAX) is the same ticket includes QF as the marketing airline for either the international arrival into the USA or the international departure from the USA. This is the same restriction for sale of QF codeshare flights operated by AA within the USA.

So its quite possible to arrive into the USA on say QF175 from BNE, stop-over in LAX for a week and then take QF107 LAX-JFK, so long as its on the same ticket. In fact, you could arrive into the USA on QF73 into SFO and later take QF107 to JFK. Or arrive into the USA on CX, then take QF107 LAX-JFK and later depart the USA on a QF flight from LAX or SFO (say as part of a xONEx fare).

If you really want to take QF107 SYD-LAX and QF107 LAX-JFK on the same day, try booking a flexible fare that includes an overnight stopover at LAX, and then later change the departure date of the LAX-JFK segment forward by a day. However, a diligent agent will refuse to change if it breaks the allowable routing rules for the fare. But in my experience, that can work for with a xONEx fare.

 

[serfty]

... Qantas Yield Management will not circumvent availability by combining two separate markets of the same flight number ... into a through flight number (eg QF1 SYD/LHR) when the through flight is not available.

Furthermore, Qantas Yield Management will not circumvent availability by splitting a through flight number ... into a shorter haul segment ... when the shorter haul segments are not available. ...

... Flights that are booked to circumvent through availability will be cancelled without warning. ...

Interesting caveats (bolded). The implication being that if there is availability in the booking class for the through/sorter hauls segments at the time of booking then this is OK.

If this is the case, it's only when availability is absent one way or another that the avove applies.

Of course, even if there is availability for either at the time of booking it is still not a safe practice. Availability can later change; if it does so there is quite the chance the flights will be "cancelled".

 

[Travel Guru]

If you book it through an agent, assuming there is availability on both segments then they should be able to book it as two sectors in their GDS.

Alternatively, why not book QF108 JFK-LAX and QF150 LAX-SYD which leaves LA 5 mins after 108?

TG

 

[NM]

If you book it through an agent, assuming there is availability on both segments then they should be able to book it as two sectors in their GDS.

Alternatively, why not book QF108 JFK-LAX and QF150 LAX-SYD which leaves LA 5 mins after 108?

TG

Assuming of course that QF10LATE does not live up to its name. Itsa quite possible that QF150 may depart LAX before QF10LATE has arrive from JFK

 

[v8Statesman]

Assuming of course that QF10LATE does not live up to its name. Itsa quite possible that QF150 may depart LAX before QF10LATE has arrive from JFK

Wouldn't QF then put the PAX on 108 thus achieving the goal of the OP anyway?

 

[Travel Guru]

Wouldn't QF then put the PAX on 108 thus achieving the goal of the OP anyway?

Affirmative.

TG

 

[NM]

Wouldn't QF then put the PAX on 108 thus achieving the goal of the OP anyway?

That is assuming there is space, which may require moving another passenger from QF108 LAX-SYD to QF150. And then you get whatever seat is available.

 

[Rae]

We're on QF108 JFK/LAX and then QF94 LAX/MEL 26 hours later so obviously that's okay as well. ...and before you ask, yes I know I can get more SC's flying AA JFK/LAX, but well... that means flying AA and I'd rather have 50 less SC's.

 

[Josh]

Try doing a multi city SYD-LAX-JFK on the QF site.
You can definately book these as separate segements on the same ticket.
I've done it before on QF25 (MEL-AKL-LAX)
However, play around with it, because it might cost you a bit more. But it's worth trying to do if you can get extra status credits for nothing (I only got an extra 10 i think, but it cost me no extra)

CHeers,

Josh

 

[serfty]

Ostensibly, 'tis only "... Flights that are booked to circumvent through availability [that] will be cancelled without warning. ...".

So while one can often do so; it may or may not be subject to review by Qantas.

 

[littl_flier]

As Serfty mentioned, it mightn't be possible under the rules but I've flown on through flights on separate sectors as well. (SYD-LAX-JFK as separate connecting sectors) The main benefit being different seat selection on different flights.'

Mine was booked through a TA though and considering they get a certain $ amount per sector from Amadeus, it's in their best interests to try and book extra sectors. I guess they try and bend the rules and bit and hope the airline doesn't pick it up.

yes I know I can get more SC's flying AA JFK/LAX, but well... that means flying AA and I'd rather have 50 less SC's.

But don't all AA flights from JFK-LAX operated as three class meaning that on a DONEX, you end up in Business rather than first so the SC's is the same?