- Nov 16, 2004
Perhaps there's some related comment here: http://www.australianfrequentflyer.com.au/community/open-discussion/carbon-tax-29438.html
With that, I move that this thread be moved to Playground.
It is clearly going to be political or at least filled with politically charged slander; I believe it is not fit nor trusted to be civil enough to both remain in the mainline forums and to give posting credit to its participants.
I'd still like to know how much our carbon tax has changed the climate.
Not a bit, but then it's not meant to. The climate isn't like the thermostat in your house where you can turn it up or down at will, simply by emitting more or less greenhouse gas.
The carbon tax was intended to reduce CO2 emissions, which over time will reduce the rate of rise in global average temperature.
These aren't really difficult concepts you know.
Was wondering how much carbon pollution has been saved by our (carbon) tax and have other polluting nations like China, India and USA done anything much to reduce as well?.
Oh - and here is the ubiquitous link for everyone to ignore .... Tony Abbott's government is 'recklessly endangering' the future on climate, says UK chief
You mean The Abbott government is "recklessly endangering" Lord Deben's cosy little rent seeking cottage industry of windfarms and solar energy?
Pacific islands growing, not sinking - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)Auckland University's Associate Professor Paul Kench, a member of the team of scientists, says the results challenge the view that Pacific islands are sinking due to rising sea levels associated with climate change.
"Eighty per cent of the islands we've looked at have either remained about the same or, in fact, gotten larger," he said.
"Some of those islands have gotten dramatically larger, by 20 or 30 per cent.
"We've now got evidence the physical foundations of these islands will still be there in 100 years."
Antarctic Sea Ice Hits A New RecordThe extent of sea ice around the Antarctic has been growing steadily at a rate of around 2.6 per cent per decade, according to NSIDC data. This contrasts with the long term decline in Arctic sea ice. The mystery of increasing Antarctic sea ice during an era of record high global surface temperatures has puzzled climate scientists.
There are some suggestions from computer model research and evidence from satellite tracking of ice that Antarctic sea ice growth in recent years may be due to wind intensification and ocean circulation changes.
Adélie Penguin Census Shows Seabirds Are Thriving - WSJRather than declining as feared due to warming temperatures that altered their habitats in some areas, the Adélie population generally is on the rise, the scientists said Thursday.
"What we found surprised everyone," said ecologist Heather Lynch at Stony Brook University in Stony Brook, N.Y., who led the penguin census. "We found a 53% increase in abundance globally."
Counting the birds by satellite, Dr. Lynch and imaging specialist Michelle LaRue at the University of Minnesota found that the Adélie penguin population now numbers 3.79 million breeding pairs—about 1.1 million more pairs than 20 years ago. In all, they identified 251 penguin colonies and surveyed 41 of them for the first time, including 17 apparently new colonies.
Rapid Climate Change » American ScientistThe same ice cores also showed that the spatial extent of sea ice decreased, atmospheric-circulation patterns changed, and the size of the world's wetlands increased. Many of these shifts in parameters, including at least a 4-degree Celsius increase in the average annual air temperature, happened in less than 10 years. These changes were not restricted to Greenland; the global nature of many of these ice-core records showed that low-latitude, continental-scale regions rapidly got warmer and wetter. The most dramatic change occurred 11,700 years ago.
Seems to me to be a political debate more than anything. Lefties automatically think the world is going to burn itself into oblivion tomorrow if we don't pay a tax on carbon dioxide and conservatives think it's all a load of hogwash.
Could be wrong on that thought though.
Would that be the same Lord Deben, aka John Selwyn Gummer, who once admonished us to save electricity by brushing our teeth in the dark, while his own house was lit up like a Christmas tree?
The issue to me re global warming is that the science IS persuasive but not definitive. However trying to fix the possible problems is a bit like paying insurance.
I'm reasonably sure I won't cause an accident / have a fire etc. However if I'm wrong the downside is very bad.
Denying the possibility of climate change in the presence of do much evidence is ideological not pragmatic.
//Thick Flame suit on!
A little warming will actually be good for a lot of people.Today more people still die of cold events rather than warm events.Look up the mortality statistics at ABS.For every State of Australia the months that have the highest number of deaths are the winter months.The least is in summer.