Western Sydney Airport (WSI) Discussion

[Saab34]

They might do what they did at Avalon and move a couple of DPS services over per week while picking up some incentives/funding alongside.

 

[dajop]

So if i type JFK dont gove me EWR (which isnt even in NYC, its a 4 connection ride to Jersey - 2 subways, nj transit plus air train), if i type SYD give me only SYD not WSI or NTL, if I type MEL dont give me AVV.

There needs to be a tick-box to include /exclude "nearby" airports, i dont consider WSI even remotely near SYD. If i search for BNE i dont expect to see OOL flights same thing.

I think for domestic, it's going to need to be differentiated.

For SQ, they're building an extra schedule offering (time wise) with all these extra connections from the Sydney metro area that they simply didn't offer at that time of day. Of course it's reasonable for them to include it in Sydney. As long as it's clear that it is from or to WSI.

Also, if you're travelling to MEL or BNE and have to add an hour or so to your journey to get to WSI it is significant. If you're travelling to BOM or KIX or further to LHR then that hour or so extra isn't quite so significant.

 

[Warragul]

There needs to be a tick-box to include /exclude "nearby" airports

Agree 100%. An optional 'exact' match search based on airport code

 

[justinbrett]

I search by airporr code, having previously used LGA, JFK and EWR i know i prefer to fly from JFK cause its a simpler and easier commute from where i stay and has nicer lounges for a OWE.

So if i type JFK dont gove me EWR (which isnt even in NYC, its a 4 connection ride to Jersey - 2 subways, nj transit plus air train), if i type SYD give me only SYD not WSI or NTL, if I type MEL dont give me AVV.

There needs to be a tick-box to include /exclude "nearby" airports, i dont consider WSI even remotely near SYD. If i search for BNE i dont expect to see OOL flights same thing.

It's up to the airline how they implement the codes - QF doesn't let you search by metro codes, but for most locations will expand searches to co-terminals (eg HND will include NRT, LHR will include LGW).

JQ uses “VIZ” as the metro code for Melbourne, which appears to be made up (doesn’t appear in the IATA database) and the metro code should be MEL.

I’m 100% sure Australian airlines will split the results for SYD and WSI.

 

[LionKing]

Western Sydney International Airport (WSI)

Airservices Australia is supporting Western Sydney International (Nancy-Bird Walton) Airport (WSI) in their quest to be a world-class smart airport, built to service 10 million passengers per year from day one when it opens in 2026. The Minister for Infrastructure,

engage.airservicesaustralia.com

As per the image above, WSI is having flight commissing runs next weekend, I wonder whether that would be the time where Qantas will announce flights for WSI.

I really hope Qantas will introduce flights leaving Melbourne and Brisbane at 10pm and 11pm for WSI, and also a 6pm departure from Perth for WSI, and 4.30am departure for PER, 5.30am departure for ADL and 5am departure for MEL and BNE. This will allow Sydneysiders to connect with Cathay Pacific and Malaysian Airlines services departing from MEL, BNE, ADL, PER in the morning, arriving in those airports in the evening, further improved connectivity for Turkish Airlines flights from Istanbul via Singapore.

Qantas should also launch 1am and 4am or 5am departure from WSI to AKL, which will allow premium Business travellers to arrive AKL in the morning, avoid overnight stays in Auckland for morning meetings, and properly connect Cathay Pacific CX198 and Fiji Airways FJ410 to Asia and Pacific region.

 

[Aeryn]

Qantas should also launch 1am and 4am or 5am departure from WSI to AKL

Impractical unless you plan to drive to WSI. Trains don't run between midnight and 5am. I wouldn't fancy a 9am business meeting in Auckland after travelling all night to get there. Better to fly night before get a good sleep at hotel and be fresh for the meeting, as the flight is too short to get sleep on the flight and no lay flat options anyway. Of course YMMV.

As for connecting with CX and MH interstate why is this necessary? Both those airlines already fly from SYD, just adding expense.

 

[LionKing]

Impractical unless you plan to drive to WSI. Trains don't run between midnight and 5am.

As for connecting with CX and MH interstate why is this necessary? Both those airlines already fly from SYD, just adding expense.

Why we need trains when Uber will do the job for us, and earn up to 12 Qantas points per dollar spent?

It is necessary to connect CX and MH interstate because of schedule flexibility and price flexibility.

Cathay Pacific sells up to $2000 cheaper ex-AKL than ex-SYD, and earns up to 80 Status Credits more than ex-SYD.

 

[jase05]

This will allow Sydneysiders to connect with Cathay Pacific and Malaysian Airlines services departing from MEL, BNE, ADL, PER in the morning, arriving in those airports in the evening, further improved connectivity for Turkish Airlines flights from Istanbul via Singapore.

Am I missing something?
Sydneysiders already have morning services with CX and MH so why would they get up to catch a redeye to MEL, ADL or PER?

 

[jakob]

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Western Sydney International Airport (WSI)

Airservices Australia is supporting Western Sydney International (Nancy-Bird Walton) Airport (WSI) in their quest to be a world-class smart airport, built to service 10 million passengers per year from day one when it opens in 2026. The Minister for Infrastructure,

engage.airservicesaustralia.com

As per the image above, WSI is having flight commissing runs next weekend, I wonder whether that would be the time where Qantas will announce flights for WSI.

I really hope Qantas will introduce flights leaving Melbourne and Brisbane at 10pm and 11pm for WSI, and also a 6pm departure from Perth for WSI, and 4.30am departure for PER, 5.30am departure for ADL and 5am departure for MEL and BNE. This will allow Sydneysiders to connect with Cathay Pacific and Malaysian Airlines services departing from MEL, BNE, ADL, PER in the morning, arriving in those airports in the evening, further improved connectivity for Turkish Airlines flights from Istanbul via Singapore.

Qantas should also launch 1am and 4am or 5am departure from WSI to AKL, which will allow premium Business travellers to arrive AKL in the morning, avoid overnight stays in Auckland for morning meetings, and properly connect Cathay Pacific CX198 and Fiji Airways FJ410 to Asia and Pacific region.

I do think a 6pm PER-WSI would be quite handy... much much better than a red-eye if you need to be functional in Sydney the next day but also need to work in Perth the departure day...

 

[LionKing]

Am I missing something?
Sydneysiders already have morning services with CX and MH so why would they get up to catch a redeye to MEL, ADL or PER?

ADL and PER earns 60 Qantas Status Credits on MH and CX more than leaving SYD and MEL.
Also, it is about flexibility, the SYD day flight from KUL and HKG are before 9am, so what about if you have a 8-9am arrival into KUL and HKG, then you have to wait for the whole day and endure a night flight?
Even if I am not talking about international transfers, 9pm last flight into SYD ex-MEL and 7.50pm ex-BNE is unacceptable, especially for BNE. How can someone work or have a function in Brisbane until 9pm able to come back to Sydney same day, especially for those who have busy schedules?
I really think a 10pm and 11pm departure from BNE and MEL into WSI would be a great alternative for business people and workers who need to leave BNE and MEL late into Sydney basin.

 

[jb747]

Hopefully this is going to be a great airport. There aren’t any in Oz right now, so it would be nice to see. But, it one way is has fulfilled a prediction that I made, way back when it was announced that they were thinking about having a meeting to see if they need to even consider it. I figured that this being Oz, by the time it happened I would be long retired. And I was right. And that call was something in the order of 30 years ago.

 

[LionKing]

Hopefully this is going to be a great airport. There aren’t any in Oz right now, so it would be nice to see. But, it one way is has fulfilled a prediction that I made, way back when it was announced that they were thinking about having a meeting to see if they need to even consider it. I figured that this being Oz, by the time it happened I would be long retired. And I was right. And that call was something in the order of 30 years ago.

I think WSI as a start can not only fulfill those living in Western Sydney, but also can be a great airport for airlines to supplement SYD with its high landing fees, slot contraints and curfew.

My first hope for WSI is that, come NW26 season, the 6pm cinderella rush to Brisbane airport in Australia summer will be over with new 9pm and 10pm departures ex-BNE to WSI.

 

[Saab34]

My first hope for WSI is that, come NW26 season, the 6pm cinderella rush to Brisbane airport in Australia summer will be over with new 9pm and 10pm departures ex-BNE to WSI.

Same with Perth, a 6/7pm departure PER-WSI would suit many to avoid the redeye, at the moment the last flight leaves Perth around 4 ish.

I’d expect few trials on schedules to see where demand sits easily for later flights, ie would a 11pm WSI-MEL work on a Fri/Sunday evenings?

 

[LionKing]

I wanted to further justify why I want those crazy early morning ex-WSI flights:

Brisbane

Let's start with BNE. Definitely worth to launch departure ex-WSI between 4am - 5:30am, because it would allow Qantas to connect with these services which they cannot do at the moment:






Currently, passengers from SYD can only arrive Moranbah and Emerald at 11am, which a mcuh more early morning departure can connect with these regional services.

Adelaide








The first arrival into ADL is 8.05am. The above services would have been missed without a 5am departure ex-WSI. Note: QF1816 arrives ASP 3 hours earlier than direct SYD-ASP.

Melbourne

A 5am departure from WSI would connect with these services:

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MCT at MEL is 40 minutes, and first service arrives MEL at 7.35am. Some regional service may be missed.

Perth



This will allow early arrival into PER sufficient to connect with these early services into regional WA.

Cairns

A 5am departure will allow connections to Weipa and Horn Island in the morning.

WSI may not be attractive during the day

I don't think at the earlier stage we need more than 2x daily ex-WSI to major cities between 8am - 4pm daily, because it is faster and more convenient for Western Sydney community to travel to SYD than WSI when traffic on M4 and M5 is clear.

Train is not available and buses will take an hour which many may prefer to go to SYD instead.

 

[transpactraveller]

ADL and PER earns 60 Qantas Status Credits on MH and CX more than leaving SYD and MEL.

That seems odd as they would be shorter distances?

 

[Himeno]

That seems odd as they would be shorter distances?

QF gives more points/SC on partner flights operating on routes that they don't compete on.
You earn more on CX flights to HKG from ports that QF doesn't have flights to HKG from.

 

[Aeryn]

ASP is a leisure not a business destination, doubt people will want to fly wsi-adl-asp and arrive hours before they check in to hotel.

Similarly you can fly syd-tsv direct twice daily, so no need for wsi-bne-tsv connection.

Avoiding PER red eye has some merit, but all those wsi-bne-regional qld connections you are proposing would have dubious demand. The bne-mining area demand is FiFOnot so much business or tourists.

 

[Chatswood]

I really hope Qantas will introduce flights leaving Melbourne and Brisbane at 10pm and 11pm for WSI, and also a 6pm departure from Perth for WSI, and 4.30am departure for PER, 5.30am departure for ADL and 5am departure for MEL and BNE. This will allow Sydneysiders to connect with Cathay Pacific and Malaysian Airlines services departing from MEL, BNE, ADL, PER in the morning, arriving in those airports in the evening, further improved connectivity for Turkish Airlines flights from Istanbul via Singapore.

Qantas should also launch 1am and 4am or 5am departure from WSI to AKL, which will allow premium Business travellers to arrive AKL in the morning, avoid overnight stays in Auckland for morning meetings, and properly connect Cathay Pacific CX198 and Fiji Airways FJ410 to Asia and Pacific region.

Some of these ideas are great particularly with the domestic flights. The Perth-WSI could be a goer, there's a 5:15pm PER-BNE flight on VA which gets into Brisbane just before midnight, so a similarly timed flight to WSI by QF could serve some FIFO workers and regional WA passengers, for example I see Karratha/Newman/Paraburdoo arriving at 3-4pm. Similarly other domestic options could work,

However it looks like the rest of it is more rooted in enthusiast than practicality, for various reasons the other routes probably wouldn't work:

• The CX/MH connections from WSI to other Australian ports don't seem sensible when there are already 10pm departures from SYD (CX138, MH140) and morning departures. They also already connect well with a ~2 hour transit time with the departures from their home ports to other regional and long-haul destinations. Going WSI-MEL/BNE-HKG doesn't add anything as the transit times aren't practical.
• TK and QF have no codeshare agreement, nor are they from the same alliance so I don't see why QF would connect to/from the TK flight. TK and SQ are partners however so that's where the transfer to SYD/WSI will come from.
• The only Australia-NZ red eye flights are on Jetstar so I'm not sure how viable an overnight flight would be for business passengers. I suspect the Air NZ WSI flight schedules reflect this as well as they didn't take advantage of not having a curfew.
• The connection in AKL to CX198 seems spurious as how many cash fare customers would be happy to take a detour of 3 hours + 90 minutes transfer + 12 hours to go to HKG?
• And for FJ I would be very surprised if they don't launch their own flight from WSI at some point given equivalent late night departures from other Australian ports.

In general it doesn't look like there are departures and landings between 12am-6am between most curfewless Australian ports, so I'm not sure if there's any pent-up demand that could justify most of those proposed flights.

With the BNE proposed connections - the QLD government actually helpfully created an assessment of the workforce in the resource industry, and unfortunately the population of the interstate FIFO workers appears to be rather insignificant. https://www.qgso.qld.gov.au/issues/12981/bowen-basin-resource-industry-workforce-2024.pdf

Impractical unless you plan to drive to WSI. Trains don't run between midnight and 5am.

No Australian city has a 24 hour service to its airport and yet the curfewless ports operate throughout the night. For example:

• The last train to Brisbane Airport from the city leaves at 9:30pm and the return is at 10pm, and yet it has a bunch of flights leaving at about midnight, with the last flight out being EK at 2am.
• Perth also has no overnight public transport but it has flights departing overnight, including a 2am MH flight.
• Melbourne has flights departing just after midnight and this is covered by the Skybus which doesn't run from 1-4am. The first Skybus doesn't connect too well to early international flights with a 90 minute interval between arrival and SQ248/QZ411 but it's likely a result of demand not being quite there.

Also, even a 10pm last bus from surrounding suburbs will get to the airport at about 11pm - still quite adequate for a 1am departure. Same with the Metro WSA when it opens, there are plenty of connections off the T1 to the Metro till midnight. Once again this airport's catchment area is Greater Western Sydney (population 2.8m) so it would not necessarily serve a resident east of Strathfield.

In short I don't see it being a dealbreaker, if demand is there an operator will step up whether it's Murrays, Flixbus, or Skybus.

 

[moa999]

That seems odd as they would be shorter distances?

Hangover of the simpler fairer changes made years ago .
Whereby flights that weren't on QF/ key partners and were seen as competitive had SF earn reduced.

 

[SYD]

ASP is a leisure not a business destination, doubt people will want to fly wsi-adl-asp and arrive hours before they check in to hotel.

Similarly you can fly syd-tsv direct twice daily, so no need for wsi-bne-tsv connection.

Avoiding PER red eye has some merit, but all those wsi-bne-regional qld connections you are proposing would have dubious demand. The bne-mining area demand is FiFOnot so much business or tourists.

QF have some seriously Big Data backing their choice of routes, timings and capacity.

Many here thought LAS was a joke - but it’s happening.

No doubt, we’ll see some routes that they believe will work. How successful and what follows, only time will tell.