Western Sydney Airport (WSI) Discussion

[moa999]

But who wants to go to St Marys if going to the city?

And that's why there is a "Western" in the airports name..
It's for those living/ working in Penrith, Parramatta, Liverpool. It's simply not intended for those in the city (CBD), other than possibly for an ex-curfew flight

It will be 30-50 yrs and a lot of expansion before WSI gets anyone close to SYD in terms of flights or capacity, and I suspect SYD will change a lot over those years.

 

[dajop]

To be fair, it does traverse the catchment area for those who’ll prefer to use WSI instead of schlepping back and fourth to SYD.

And also in the catchment for those who will be working at the airport, or businesses nearby to the other stations on the line. It's not just about passengers.

 

[clifford]

It's not just about passengers.

That's an iteresting comment. The airport won't go far without them. cf Avalon.

 

[dajop]

That's an iteresting comment. The airport won't go far without them. cf Avalon.

Based on the comments of @jase05 in this thread, it will be a major freight hub, even without passengers. Workers are needed to serve freight operations. There's also the Airport Business Park (linked to the freight facilities?) that the metro line will serve a separate station to the terminal. I'd say (airline) passengers are just one of the groups of patrons for the new metro line.

 

[moa999]

There's also the Airport Business Park (linked to the freight facilities?) that the metro line will serve a separate station to the terminal.

And Bradfield (formerly Aerotropolis) which is being designed as new city - "Australia's first new city in a century, focusing on innovation, advanced manufacturing, logistics, sustainability."

Longer term of extended to Liverpool or Campbelltown and Schofields connecting to Tallawong it will form an outer North/South rail line

 

[SYD]

That's an iteresting comment. The airport won't go far without them. cf Avalon.

You’ve raised two linked but still seperate issues. The viability of WSI and separately the WSI metro.

The later will have a life of it’s own servicing greater Western Sydney, the airport metropolis AND the airport. Plenty of peeps can’t wait.

RE: Future success of WSI, it’s already been discussed ad nauseam up thread. Freight first, random domestic / international stuff initially and eventually expanding from there. There is a huge population base to tap into on that North / South corridor who’ll be happy to spend a few mins on a metro over heading into SYD.

I’ve said a couple of times upthread, I’m unlikely to use WSI any time soon and I can’t see it being a viable option for most doing business in the Sydney CBD, but potential demand is far greater than AVV. Given AVV is basically Geelong’s airport - for a population less than half of Newcastle.

Greater WS has a population of about 2.5 mil (which is more than Perth, Adelaide and BNE metro!).

 

[elanshin]

I think alot of the thought is always - well how do they get to Sydney. Rather if we instead consider, what is it like getting to Blacktown, Parramatta or Liverpool then the equation changes a lot.

If they connect south which they really should put a tender on extending leppington line to the airport, that will connect SW Sydney as well. If the Metro extends in the future South into Oran Park and Campbeltown eventually that would be huge for the area as well.

 

[moa999]

Some new internal video..

13K views · 309 reactions | We got a sneak peek 👀✈️ and Western Sydney… this is big. Qantas, Jetstar, Singapore Airlines and Air New Zealand are all confirmed to fly from @wsiairport , with Qantas and Jetstar alone expected to operate more than 25,0

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[AustraliaPoochie]

Hope all the linked airlines will all move, ie, all QFd/QFi/OW, will move, or all VAd/VAi/*A will move, other it will be another HND/NRT schemozzle.

 

[AuSammy]

Hope all the linked airlines will all move, ie, all QFd/QFi/OW, will move, or all VAd/VAi/*A will move, other it will be another HND/NRT schemozzle.

Won’t happen in our lifetime

 

[moa999]

Hope all the linked airlines will all move, ie, all QFd/QFi/OW, will move, or all VAd/VAi/*A will move, other it will be another HND/NRT schemozzle.

I think you misunderstand the purpose of the airport.
Per the video the gates are numbered 18-24 (for future expansion) but for many years it will have much lower throughout than any of the three SYD terminals.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

If HND, HKG and SIN Changi could do works into the sea, but of course, oh, no, we cant do the same to KSA...
Anyway, I do still like the current system.
But we have to wait I guess, to see what they do, er, do, ie, if they do move QF, all QFd and QFi and all OW will also move.
If its a half hearted only QFi move and QFd stays, then its problematic to get to and from WSI to KSA and back.

 

[HS-TQE]

WSI isn't meant to be a replacement for SYD.

I believe only QFLink (Alliance Airlines and/or National Jet Systems) and JQ will be setting up a hub at WSI initially. QF mainline or any VA presence at WSI will be a while off.

 

[SYD]

If HND, HKG and SIN Changi could do works into the sea, but of course, oh, no, we cant do the same to KSA...

We did go into the sea with the main runway and then the parallel runway. There wouldn’t be much left of Botany Bay if they extended further!

Anyway, I do still like the current system.
But we have to wait I guess, to see what they do, er, do, ie, if they do move QF, all QFd and QFi and all OW will also move.
If its a half hearted only QFi move and QFd stays, then its problematic to get to and from WSI to KSA and back.

You’ll never see all QF ops move to WSI while ever SYD continues to operate. They may move some QFd or add some additional QFd flights to WSI where it makes sense.

Expect to see some new or relocated JQ services in due course. It’ll actually be a better option for those needing to transit JQi<->JQd.

 

[dajop]

Think of WSI vs SYD the same as ADL vs MEL. No one is moving their entire operations there as it is serving a different market.

 

[HS-TQE]

Any QFLink/JQ services at WSI will likely be IN addition to their existing SYD services, they will not want to give up their slots at SYD as long as the City airport is still operational. Some relocated QFG services from SYD to WSI will likely see the vacated slots at SYD be replaced with another domestic service out of SYD.

 

[HS-TQE]

We did go into the sea with the main runway and then the parallel runway. There wouldn’t be much left of Botany Bay if they extended further!

You’ll never see all QF ops move to WSI while ever SYD continues to operate. They may move some QFd or add some additional QFd flights to WSI where it makes sense.

Expect to see some new or relocated JQ services in due course. It’ll actually be a better option for those needing to transit JQi<->JQd.

I'd think any JQi services out of WSI will be likely be a token DPS service (relocated from SYD to keep within bilateral) in the short term at most. Freeing up a JQi slot at SYD for a 788 long haul or another Tasman/Pacific Islands service.

 

[33kft]

Think of WSI vs SYD the same as ADL vs MEL

Not sure we've sprawled out so much that we can claim it as western melbourne just yet

 

[Saab34]

WSI isn't meant to be a replacement for SYD.

Is some reports out there that seem to think that. I was reading something that by xx year they intend to overtake Mascot and the end result was WSI flying the bulk of the traffic and Mascot the scraps. I will try to find it. I think it’s just madness but that’s just me.

Unless WSI can get fast rail into the city in 10 minutes which won’t ever happen in our lifetimes then forget it. I think 10 million passengers for the airport seems probable in the short term, and 20m in the long term.

I would be cautious with some of the estimates being pushed around, Mascot are on the record as saying they expect a further 30m pax growth in the next 15 years. Taking into account traffic has been flat for the past decade, it has taken the airport 40 years to grow the last 30 million increase, not sure where this data is coming from to say they expect such traffic in the coming years.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

Maybe if they put all ST group alliance airlines into WSI it might be good or a better idea.
Ie DL or OZ or purely freight.