Western Sydney Airport (WSI) Discussion

[Ansett Nostalgic]

Have you driven in Sydney lately, everything is at capacity gridlock, has been for a decade. The greater Sydney area is way beyond infrastructure capacity.

The solution is remigration and removing people from the area. No amount of infrastructure built in this country can ever keep up, if you say it's at capacity now, I doubt people can wait 25 years for this to finish.

We need to build up secondary cities more, and convert more regional towns into cities.

 

[LionKing]

So still nothing from anywhere East from the South Line. So Bankstown, East Hills and Parramatta residents missing out.
Not good enough.

 

[SYD]

So still nothing from anywhere East from the South Line. So Bankstown, East Hills and Parramatta residents missing out.
Not good enough.

We don’t even have info on flights yet!

Makes it a bit hard for Transport NSW to schedule stuff.

 

[RooFlyer]

So still nothing from anywhere East from the South Line. So Bankstown, East Hills and Parramatta residents missing out.
Not good enough.

Its not even open yet! Jeez, they develop a whole airport in the West - what exactly would be 'good enough'?

 

[HS-TQE]

Speaking of windows, it's taking a fair bit of time for approvals (and assunedly red tape) to allow for QF, JQ and SQ to start selling flights that commence from launch day and also tbe start of the NW26/27 season.

 

[LionKing]

We don’t even have info on flights yet!

Makes it a bit hard for Transport NSW to schedule stuff.

I suggest it might help with ground workers catching public transport to WSI for work, but it might have missed out communities such as Cabramatta and is forcing workers to change for a train... :/

 

[SYD]

I suggest it might help with ground workers catching public transport to WSI for work, but it might have missed out communities such as Cabramatta and is forcing workers to change for a train... :/

My earlier comment stands!

The “workers” don’t even know how long they’re working each day let alone their bosses who don’t know how many to employ. In fact, I doubt the “bosses” have been employed yet.

 

[Aeryn]

I also sincerely doubt anyone living in the eastern suburbs is likely to want to apply for a job at WSI, it is just too far away for a comfortable commute. If a career in aviation is their want, they are only minutes from SYD.

Just like anyone living in Eastern Suburbs, North Sydney, Northern Beaches, Inner West and Inner South will continue to preference SYD over WSI - why more than triple your commute time and cost to get to an airport for a lesser experience?

 

[kerfuffle]

East Hills ... residents missing out.

How are East Hills residents missing out exactly? They already have a direct train line to Sydney International ... Bankstown residents could also make their way down to the Airport and East Hills line.

 

[jase05]

also sincerely doubt anyone living in the eastern suburbs is likely to want to apply for a job at WSI,

For many a job is a job and they may not have the luxury of picking and choosing their commute.
Others may not actually mid the commute, we live around 60-80 minutes from work dependant on traffic and both drive in to work. Plenty of friends and colleagues live an hour plus from work and some even near 2hrs

 

[SYD]

For many a job is a job and they may not have the luxury of picking and choosing their commute.
Others may not actually mid the commute, we live around 60-80 minutes from work dependant on traffic and both drive in to work. Plenty of friends and colleagues live an hour plus from work and some even near 2hrs

Not for us in the Eastern suburbs!

Crossing the median strip of George St is met with trepidation!

 

[mrsterryn]

Will more low cost carriers go out there ? Is the expections being that the flights will be cheaper from there , rather than Mascot?

 

[RooFlyer]

Will more low cost carriers go out there ? Is the expections being that the flights will be cheaper from there , rather than Mascot?

In theory, the position of the airport and its lesser accessibility should lend the airport to offer lower charges to the airlines and passengers.

And in theory also, those lesser charges should be passed off the passengers who take the flights the Airlines are committed to putting there

 

[Saab34]

I wonder if we might see a delay to kickoff while airlines deal with cost hikes due to all these global events. Might not be the time to launch what is normally unprofitable operations initially.

 

[LionKing]

For many a job is a job and they may not have the luxury of picking and choosing their commute.
Others may not actually mid the commute, we live around 60-80 minutes from work dependant on traffic and both drive in to work. Plenty of friends and colleagues live an hour plus from work and some even near 2hrs

Many staff from elite universities live in Blue Mountains and Central Coast, and commute 2 hours to work

 

[clifford]

And in theory also, those lesser charges should be passed off the passengers who take the flights the Airlines are committed to putting there

Sounds good, but no one is committed to putting any flights there.

Seems possible that the white elephant may be getting whiter.

 

[LionKing]

I also sincerely doubt anyone living in the eastern suburbs is likely to want to apply for a job at WSI, it is just too far away for a comfortable commute. If a career in aviation is their want, they are only minutes from SYD.

Just like anyone living in Eastern Suburbs, North Sydney, Northern Beaches, Inner West and Inner South will continue to preference SYD over WSI - why more than triple your commute time and cost to get to an airport for a lesser experience?

I would expect some workers who previously work at SYD will become working in WSI to save commuting time.

 

[RooFlyer]

Sounds good, but no one is committed to putting any flights there.

Not sure what you mean there. QantasLink, Jetstar, Singapore Airlines, and Air New Zealand have said they'll have passenger flights from WSI.

Plus, for maybe the third time in this thread, there are major air freight operations committed to WSI.

As I mentioned up-thread. What ground transport and what airlines committed to SYD years before it opened? OK, lets be fair. How many committed before it reached 10 million passengers per year?

 

[dajop]

and is forcing workers to change for a train... :/

That's actually how the most effective transport systems around the world operate. Changing modes or changing between the same mode at a transfer station. To make this work, it all depends on frequency of course, but it's almost certainly better to have, for example 4 buses an hour to Liverpool or Leppington than 1 bus every hour or two that travels all the way to the eastern suburbs.

 

[clifford]

Not sure what you mean there. QantasLink, Jetstar, Singapore Airlines, and Air New Zealand have said they'll have passenger flights from WSI.

Plus, for maybe the third time in this thread, there are major air freight operations committed to WSI.

As I mentioned up-thread. What ground transport and what airlines committed to SYD years before it opened? OK, lets be fair. How many committed before it reached 10 million passengers per year?

Yes, that's fine, but what I mean is that everyone could just walk away from what they have "committed" to, if it doesn't pan out how they might have hoped.

Committed in my mind suggests legally binding rather than just a proposal. There's nothing to stop these players from just walking away AFAIK.