West coast USA award A or J to SYD

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So I need to fly west coast usa to syd at the end of next year. Ive never flown first before, so considering that on the A380 out of DFW. If I knew the cabin refresh was done by then, id probably go for it. 168k points and 293usd. Award open on my needed dates.

SFO or LAX is available in J. 96k points 293usd. I am trying to avoid skybeds (so uncomfortable).
Issue is this alternates betwen 747s and dreamliners.

What would you do/advice/comments?
 
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The 747 is no more to/from the USA (except HNL) so that's not an issue.

If you've never done F on the 380 then I'm not sure the refresh, which is going to be minor in F, would make much difference IMHO.. I'd prob take that. 2nd choice would be the 787-9 J since you know it will be the suite and if that product works for you then grab it while you can.

IMHO
 
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F in 380 then J in 787

End of next year. Whats the chance QF7/8 is replaced by the 787 by then? Note that on that route the A380 cannot carry a full complement of passengers. That route is eminently suited to a 787.
QF F is slightly underwhelming compared to other F offerings.
 
Thanks for the advice. I was hoping for cx first to hkg and qf j to syd.

747 is still running on sfo to syd I see currently. And is the scheduled plane for the date jist under 12 months away. This is what has me hesitating.

Fair points re qf first offering being not as great as others.
 
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The 747 is no more to/from the USA (except HNL) so that's not an issue.

QF73/74 is still operated by the B747
QF49/50 (MEL-SFO) is 787. Sometimes the Brisbane 787 cabin crew base pax to MEL to operate this route.

I wouldnt say that the 787 J product is exactly more comfortable than the Skybed II
I hate the overshoulder seatbelt. If you are tall it digs into the side of your neck and the foot tunnels are small unless in first row
 
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Apologies re SYD-SFO still being the 744. I imagine it will be gone by end of next year (ie post Oct schedule change for northern winter) but could always be wrong. :)

Still easy enough to pick out the 787, even if going SFO-MEL then back to SYD.

as for the F cabin agree it's hardly CX, SQ or a ME3, but the main feature, specially for a sector like LAX-SYD/MEL or DFW-SYD is the bedding being very comfortable, the relative privacy and higher FA:pax ratio for service. Food is more or less the same bar the bubbles and a few minor extras certainly flying West the main thing will be sleep in which case the 380 F or 787 J products are very comfortable for both. If I was points rich and the F seat was there, I'd take that just for the extra bit of space and comfort.
 
Apologies re SYD-SFO still being the 744. I imagine it will be gone by end of next year (ie post Oct schedule change for northern winter) but could always be wrong. :)

Still easy enough to pick out the 787, even if going SFO-MEL then back to SYD.

as for the F cabin agree it's hardly CX, SQ or a ME3, but the main feature, specially for a sector like LAX-SYD/MEL or DFW-SYD is the bedding being very comfortable, the relative privacy and higher FA:pax ratio for service. Food is more or less the same bar the bubbles and a few minor extras certainly flying West the main thing will be sleep in which case the 380 F or 787 J products are very comfortable for both. If I was points rich and the F seat was there, I'd take that just for the extra bit of space and comfort.

I have not stayed abreast with the gradual withdrawal of the 747 fleet. The ER series VH-OEE-OEJ may stay on a bit longer they being the youngest of the fleet... (currently 15-16 years old). The A380 series VH-OQA-OQL is between 7-10 years old..

VH-ZNA...ZNG the first tranche of 8 has been delivered based at BNE and MEL

Current routes are
BNE-LAX-KFK (QF15/11 and QF12/16)
MEL-PER-LHR (QF9/10)
MEL-SFO (QF49/50)
MEL-LAX (QF95/96)
MEL-HKG (QF29/30) route shared with A330
some domestic revenue sectors between BNE and MEL

There is some talk of a SYD-HKG 787 service next year.

The swop over between BNE and MEL may occur at LAX with the MEL-LAX then operating the LAX-BNE and the BNE-LAX-JFK-LAX then swopping to the LAX-MEL, or on a domestic revenue sector between BNE and MEL.
 
Thanks for the info. I'm more confused as to what to do than ever haha. SFO to SYD is a gamble the 747 will be withdrawn in time, after 9 uncomfortable hrs HKG to SYD I was asking to be moved back to Y+! I'd be quite happy in the 787 J suite im sure. and avoid a positioning flight SFO to DFW....

For an extra 30k, I can fly the day before on EK, SFO DXB SYD, all in first..... tempting but a long way around.
 
QF F is slightly underwhelming compared to other F offerings.

This!

If you've not experienced other carrier F - then, sure, go for QF F ex DFW. My wife swears away from QF F, finds the FAs a little too gushy and the hard-product little better than J - unfavorable F comparison with the ME carriers etc. She insists that I book J over F ex-OS (she hasn't sampled F ex-Oz with its sample menus etc).

If QF have substituted the A380 for B787 by then, F won't be an option anyway.

Regards,

BD
 
This!

If you've not experienced other carrier F - then, sure, go for QF F ex DFW. My wife swears away from QF F, finds the FAs a little too gushy and the hard-product little better than J - unfavorable F comparison with the ME carriers etc. She insists that I book J over F ex-OS (she hasn't sampled F ex-Oz with its sample menus etc).

If QF have substituted the A380 for B787 by then, F won't be an option anyway.

Regards,

BD

I would tend to agree with the idea that the QF F (and I suspect even with the minor makeover which seems more cosmetic than substantial from all I've seen) hard product is little better than (current standard) J. Compared to the J product on the QF 380 (pre refurb) it's fantastic, but now with the J Suite on the 787, there's not a lot of difference with the exception of the more private cabin and higher FA:Pax ratio but for a 13ish hour flight like LAX-SYD, it's a great J product and compares pretty well to most others out there in J.

I doubt QF will remove the 380 from much more USA flying, certainly not LAX, as they simply need the capacity down back for all those bound to Disney, LA and onwards. The 787 is great for the thinner routes like MEL-SFO, BNE-LAX, but MEL/SYD-LAX I think will stay 380 for the time being (of course we all recall periods where some 380 services have been subbed for the 787 in lighter seasons, eg: Feb-Mar this year IIRC) and it may well be some 380's will rotate out of the schedules for their refurbs, which clearly will take some time to totally redo the J cabins, plus the makeovers elsewhere. Still, those will be scheduled in advance so you'd know, and at least the J product is of a higher standard.

I also note for the routes we're discussing, the competition on direct, or near-direct (eg: NZ via AKL or even FJ via NAN) is not a whole lot better. AA's 2 class 787's, UA's 2 class 787's(with 6 across in J are a joke and make the skybeds look decent, not to mention the soft product). NZ has, I feel, better service levels and soft (food,) product in J, but again you have an extra stop in there and some feel the seats are too narrow (my feet go off the end !)

Finally a comment on QF F FA's. I've flown my share of sectors in QF F, but by no means would I consider myself a frequent passenger but I generally have found the FA's to be quite relaxed and friendly without being "gushy" or in any way overbearing or forced. Of course some crews and crew members will obviously interact differently with pax, and it may well be that some experiences are not to lkiking for one reason or other (I'e had one or two on QF make me feel like simple requests were a hassle for them). In general I've always found them very good, responsive and personable. Even moreso on repeat journeys (eg: at least one FA working a LAX-MEL remembered me from a similar sector months earlier, and was genuinely wonderful - even though she wasn't working my side of F, she made a special effort to say hi and even remembered which bubbles I liked etc and it was very natural and not forced (to me, anyway).

Just recently I flew MH and TG F sectors and found the TG crew to be far less relaxed in nature and it was an altogether different service experiene (much of that was likely cultural as much as anything).

Personally I prefer the more laid back, yet appropriate, service usually experienced on QF and NZ (and probably VA though I don't fly them) over the US majors and some others... but obviously every interaction and flight experience is going to be different and even then for different passengers with varing needs and expectatiions.

Each to their own though.
 
Thanks for the info. I'm more confused as to what to do than ever haha. SFO to SYD is a gamble the 747 will be withdrawn in time, after 9 uncomfortable hrs HKG to SYD I was asking to be moved back to Y+! I'd be quite happy in the 787 J suite im sure. and avoid a positioning flight SFO to DFW....

For an extra 30k, I can fly the day before on EK, SFO DXB SYD, all in first..... tempting but a long way around.
Haven’t experienced either but from everything you hear or read the EK F sounds miles better. Yeah it’s the long way but would be very tempting
 
Whilst its tempting, its still turning one direct 15 hr flight into two. As it is, i'd be turning one direct 15 hr flight into a 3.5 and a 18hr flight to fly A.

That'll be an interesting situation if there is a downgrade. I'll be stuck in the original cabin I would have preferred with the extra flight sfo dfw ha. I'm guessing QF will refund me the points difference for the downgrade.

If this was for flights end 2020, the decision would be far easier, no 747 and mostly upgraded a380s. I'd be almost sure to be in the new J suite for 96k points.
 
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Ahhh so i pulled the trigger and got the booking in A for next year. Rerouted my trip and cut out SFO altogether unfortunately.

One q I dont want to make a separate thread for, qf award bookings count towards your required 'four own metal' flights for status purposes right? Pretty sure they do. Ill be short by 3, so some cheap SYD MEL returns are in my future post A award flight unfortunately.
 
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