Virgin CBR-SYD flights restarting

justinbrett

Established Member
Joined
Mar 6, 2006
Posts
4,608
Qantas
Platinum
Virgin
Silver
Seems VA are trying to phase out whats remaining of their Alliance contracts. There's not much VA/QQ contract flying left when compared to their pre-administration work.

JH and co may not be keen on having 20% of their wet lease money to QQ going to QF, so they may be letting the contracts run out and not renew most (if not all) routes.

Which is their loss. It's commonplace in the US for regional airlines to contract for multiple major airlines (including more than one of the big 3).

It works well. I thought Alliance was heading that way but it appears not.
 
Sponsored Post

This is an example of a Sponsored Post, one of the many ways you can advertise on the Australian Frequent Flyer.

Other options include banner advertisements on our content and forum pages or our newsletter. You can also purchase an audio message on our podcast - or if you just want to try it out, you can sponsor a thread.

If you'd prefer not to see any advertisements (including these sponsored posts), you can become an AFF Supporter from just $6 and instantly remove all advertisements from our website!

docjames

Senior Member
Joined
Jul 10, 2007
Posts
9,183
Qantas
Platinum
Which is their loss. It's commonplace in the US for regional airlines to contract for multiple major airlines (including more than one of the big 3).

It works well. I thought Alliance was heading that way but it appears not.
Yes - but the regional carriers aren’t typically owned by the big 3 - whereas Alliance has Qantas ownership (20% iirc).

Completely understand VA wanting to reduce its dependancy on Alliance.
 

justinbrett

Established Member
Joined
Mar 6, 2006
Posts
4,608
Qantas
Platinum
Virgin
Silver
Yes - but the regional carriers aren’t typically owned by the big 3 - whereas Alliance has Qantas ownership (20% iirc).

Completely understand VA wanting to reduce its dependancy on Alliance.

That's a recent development. If buying 20% of shares was enough to spook VA, that's a pretty cunning move by QF to further reduce regional competition.
 

stryker

Active Member
Joined
Sep 28, 2006
Posts
564
That's a recent development. If buying 20% of shares was enough to spook VA, that's a pretty cunning move by QF to further reduce regional competition.
It doesn't reduce competition, but changes it, and not in QF's favour.

Which is a good thing.
 

justinbrett

Established Member
Joined
Mar 6, 2006
Posts
4,608
Qantas
Platinum
Virgin
Silver
It doesn't reduce competition, but changes it, and not in QF's favour.

Which is a good thing.

Alliance was probably the leading regional airline in Australia not linked to QF or VA - how does taking them out not reduce competition?

Not that I agree that buying 20% is taking them out - QF doesn't have a controlling share. Link is a tiny airline with inferior aircraft. They're competing with Rex by this decision, not QF.
 

kookaburra75

Established Member
Joined
Mar 26, 2017
Posts
1,491
Qantas
Platinum
Virgin
Gold
Link only had 3 x SAAB340s, some routes of theirs will drop back to a Metro.
That wouldn't be a good option from my point of view. I have been on the Metroliners many a times on CBR-NTL flights as I didn't have any other options - and flights in NZ and US. To do the CBR-SYD run on a Metroliner would be the equivalent of the old Impulse days of their Beechcraft 1900s, which at least had more headroom than the Metroliners.
 

AIRwin

Senior Member
Joined
Apr 13, 2013
Posts
6,343
Qantas
Gold
Virgin
Gold
Heard that row 2 is missing a window which I hadn't known...
 

Bagpuss

Established Member
Joined
Feb 24, 2014
Posts
1,213
Seems VA are trying to phase out whats remaining of their Alliance contracts. There's not much VA/QQ contract flying left when compared to their pre-administration work.

JH and co may not be keen on having 20% of their wet lease money to QQ going to QF, so they may be letting the contracts run out and not renew most (if not all) routes.
Think they are just waiting for the demand to return I think : Virgin Australia & Alliance Airlines
 

jakeseven7

Enthusiast
Joined
Sep 9, 2005
Posts
10,194
I'm happy to see this return in some form, even if it is a Saab 340 service operated by another airline. The lack of CBR-SYD services on VA has made it more difficult to connect to a lot of places out of CBR using VA's network.

I agree, I am surprised at the amount of hate with this move. It seems really smart to me.

VA2 were never going to survive 5 seconds with their own 737 service and rather than giving QF a cut using Alliance metal they have forged a much more reliable (as in very small planes are less likely to be cancelled due to low loads) partner with the right size aircraft for this route.

Perhaps a little small for some people but better than nothing!
 

Mattg

Enthusiast
Joined
Aug 21, 2011
Posts
12,390
Qantas
Gold
Virgin
Gold
Looks like it has been postponed to Valentine's Day...

Postponed again? How many times can they keep pushing it back...

I'd be surprised if it did actually start on 14 Feb at this rate. Maybe in 2023 though?

Serious question - what happens if you were already booked on a CBR-SYD service before 14 Feb? Re-routed via MEL?
 

Bundy Bear

Established Member
Joined
Jul 17, 2004
Posts
3,816
Postponed again? How many times can they keep pushing it back...

I'd be surprised if it did actually start on 14 Feb at this rate. Maybe in 2023 though?

Serious question - what happens if you were already booked on a CBR-SYD service before 14 Feb? Re-routed via MEL?
Book them on Rex or Qantas
 

ozstamps

Established Member
Joined
Aug 30, 2003
Posts
1,151
Virgin
Platinum
Pretty amazing to understand even 1 or 2 flights a day are not worthwhile?

I'd guess AVERAGE ticket price could be quite high, and they'd get it.
 

jakeseven7

Enthusiast
Joined
Sep 9, 2005
Posts
10,194
Postponed again? How many times can they keep pushing it back...

I'd be surprised if it did actually start on 14 Feb at this rate. Maybe in 2023 though?

Serious question - what happens if you were already booked on a CBR-SYD service before 14 Feb? Re-routed via MEL?

VA2 have actually on some cancelled routes been booking people onto Qantas which much be incredibly painful but better than a pissed off for life customer!
 

Enhance your AFF viewing experience!

From just $6 we'll remove all advertisements so that you can enjoy a cleaner and uninterupted viewing experience.

And you'll be supporting us so that we can continue to provide this valuable resource :)


Sample AFF with no advertisements? More..
Top