Velocity/Virgin websites are RUBBISH

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The funny thing is that there are some great airlines out there with equally inferior or even worse websites. It's to the point in many ways that on those airlines, you're better off getting a travel agent (online or human) involved!

So although bad is bad, it seems VA are amongst the best of the chaff. So what's the VA driving force? Be the best out there, beat Qantas, or achieve the best standard?
 
The funny thing is that there are some great airlines out there with equally inferior or even worse websites. It's to the point in many ways that on those airlines, you're better off getting a travel agent (online or human) involved!

Very true, but those great airlines with bad websites usually have staff to assist with the stuff that customers cannot do online, and the staff are trained and familiar with the proccess, and are not located in a high wage country or in a low wage offshore call centre.


So although bad is bad, it seems VA are amongst the best of the chaff. So what's the VA driving force? Be the best out there, beat Qantas, or achieve the best standard?

I am not sure that even VA management know the answer to this, but you would think the driving force should have been:

1. better than the old web sites and booking engine
2. not double charge customers or make similar embarrasing mistakes
3. allow mixed international and domestic fares and seat selection with partners
4. not be a disruptive system that takes more resources to run than the previous system (i.e. reduce the workload on call centres - not increase it)

Although not perfect, the Qantas web site would be a good target to aim for. I know its taken years of development but it essentially does everything it supposed to do, reliably and without manual intervention. Have a look at what the old Virgin and Velocity web sites and booking engines could do (and what they couldn't do) and compare that to what we have seen since Jan 2013.....
 
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Oh gawd, I haven't used the website for a month and now I'm back at it and it's STILL as bad as it was.

Another thing that is irritating which I didn't mention before is when you have booked your dates it then offers the "add on" of checked baggage ignoring your status even when logged in. You have to read the fine print in a box that says Plats, Golds and Silvers don't have to pay but it looks like it expects everyone to pay.

I even found that none of the information that normally pops up when typing seems to have been saved at all but I suppose that's a browser problem.

When, oh when, will this be better?

Half my business is with QF again now. Try to hang on to the rest VA!
 
Another thing that is irritating which I didn't mention before is when you have booked your dates it then offers the "add on" of checked baggage ignoring your status even when logged in. You have to read the fine print in a box that says Plats, Golds and Silvers don't have to pay but it looks like it expects everyone to pay.

Other than the fact the web site doesn't seem to know who you are despite logging in perhaps the alleged reasoning here is that, before Sabre...baggage allowance based on status was effectively locked in at the time of BOOKING. Whereas now policy is that status based baggage allowance is determined based on your status at the time of FLYING. Whether that change is based on a business reason or because that's the way the system works (or doesn't work!) is another matter.
 
Oh gawd, I haven't used the website for a month and now I'm back at it and it's STILL as bad as it was.

Can you sympathise with those who use it weekly?

If so, VA need to employ you as their hierarchy can't relate to their most frequent flyers at all!
 
If you think the retail Virgin Australia site is bad, you should see the Virgin Corporate site....
the only good thing is it shows Biz and Economy sites on the same page and has traveller profiles (well partially)

Apart from that it is a mess of inconsistency, fonts changing, information not moving from one screen to the next, business numbers appearing as home, Australia moving to Cocos Islands (both +61), not pulling half the details from a traveller profile.
 
My company's travel agent just booked me another flight with VA due to best fare of day policy and the terrible memories came back, FF number not against booking, no ability to view, multiple logins, inability to associate FF number to booking and a requirement to now ring to associate number to booking. What a complete shambles!
 
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If you think the retail Virgin Australia site is bad, you should see the Virgin Corporate site....
the only good thing is it shows Biz and Economy sites on the same page and has traveller profiles (well partially)

Apart from that it is a mess of inconsistency, fonts changing, information not moving from one screen to the next, business numbers appearing as home, Australia moving to Cocos Islands (both +61), not pulling half the details from a traveller profile.

moa999 - if its possible can you stick up a few screen shots so we can see what it looks like? (without identifying your own clients of course)

Just interested in how much worse than the typical IBE.....
 
My company's travel agent just booked me another flight with VA due to best fare of day policy and the terrible memories came back, FF number not against booking, no ability to view, multiple logins, inability to associate FF number to booking and a requirement to now ring to associate number to booking. What a complete shambles!

Maybe your agent is not doing it right?
 
Maybe your agent is not doing it right?

You are probably right Lukenet, but I didn't have the problem before Sabre transition and agent is blaming Virgin, and QFF and Air NZ bookings work as expected. Evidence is with agent as I also find it almost impossible to do anything on Virgin website, such as associating FF number, seat allocation etc, not to mention multiple logins. Our agents are not brilliant but the FF number not being associated highlight other issues with VA.
 
Maybe your agent is not doing it right?

Thats what I originally thought - but have had it confirmed in one of the many other VA website related threads from the VFF rep that non-IBE bookings from external travel agents (mostly corporate travel agents) cannot have their bookings managed online and I am guessing that is still the case. I have had the exact same experiences as Markmat has had. My travel agent can book flights and associate my VFF but it seems that corporate travel bookings make it to Sabre OK - but these bookings cannot talk to the VA web site as far as managing bookings or seat selection. I am still getting the Error #000354 today (which they promised to change to something more meaningful).

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I have found that by signing up to using Tripcase I can see and confirm all my existing VA flights so we know they are in Sabre, its just the VA web site that cannot see them. Still dosen't help with seat selection though, which is the one thing that I need and want to be able to use!

See these threads for more detailed info:

http://www.australianfrequentflyer....yer/third-party-booking-va-flights-49334.html

http://www.australianfrequentflyer....seat-selection-issues-time-booking-49055.html


Its also worth emphasising again that before the switchover to Sabre - I was able to manage all my corporate travel agent bookings on the old VA web site, and they were all linked with my VFF number and they all all credited fairly quickly after flying. Same person, same travel agent and Tripcase could see my bookings before and after the switch to Sabre but very different VA web site experience now.
 

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I make a good living working on large corporate sites (am fully overbooked, so not fishing for work) such as this pair and such madness is fairly normal.

The problem lies primarily in corporate funding processes relating to any form of IT/marketing activity and in the way the website is built initially and then updated in dribs and drabs. The effort put into getting next year's budget is so intense that people no longer seem to have the energy to do anything else in a sensible manner. ;)

Even if someone in Marketing has heard about UX (user experience), it is hard to get an internal UX person on the headcount. And even with such a person on the payroll, large sites are maintained by large teams and things slip through the cracks. While major facelifts are done by external agencies, ongoing work is usually done internally.

Ongoing work (e.g. a "little widget on a page") is broken down into little projects and it would be unusual for those projects to step back and look at the whole page in case something else might break. There isn't the funding for such luxury. You want a widget, you get just that and the funding is usually not enough, so something always gets "descoped". If you mention regression testing, you're probably too old.

And there's usually some sad backstory such as some legacy systems that would cost too much to replace and Finance would not want the cost blowout to affect the share price.

So far I haven't even mentioned the calibre of the coders and how hard they work; the usual corporate politics and rivalry, etc. So, even in a happy corporate tower, UX has very little chance of winning. End users have to lump it.

In the case of VA and Velocity, I haven't any knowledge of their history, but the reasons for not being one site and not having "single sign-on" would be one of those sad stories.
 
I am still getting the Error #000354 today (which they promised to change to something more meaningful).

Now this ^^^^^ comment made me laugh. They promised to fix the error code text rather than fix the cause of the error code???
If so, doesn't that just exemplify the real problem in the VA IT mind set right now.


large sites are maintained by large teams and things slip through the cracks.

VA doesn't have cracks. Whole floorboards are missing.
 
Now this ^^^^^ comment made me laugh. They promised to fix the error code text rather than fix the cause of the error code???

Sorry - should have been more specific - in another thread I asked the VFF company rep to change that particular error code #00354, (which we now know in the case of #00354 is due to Third Party Bookings not being able to be managed by the VA web site but definately are in Sabre) to something more meaningful for the user, maybe along the lines of "This Third Party Booking cannot be currently managed/located on the Virgin Australia web site - please call 131 xx_ to confirm seating/booking etc" or something else. I am not opposed to using error codes and pop-ups when things fall over but why not give some meaningful information about why the error code is being generated? Perhaps I should have asked for the Sabre Appendix Z with all error codes listed from 000 to 999?

I guess they have been busy on other things but I was looking for it recently as I wanted to see how the IT team could explain this. Whom knows - perhaps this may have prompted someone to think about actually solving the problem? :shock:
 
Yep - was a VA plat. Gone back to QF for exactly this reason - VA has missed out on around $20k from me since January. Sorry VA, but if I can't purchase a ticket without a 'website error', or have my phone calls answered in a reasonable time by someone who knows what they are talking about (when I have to call about their atrocious site), or select a seat when someone else has already purchased then there is no use having status IMHO.
 
It took about an hour to book 2 flights on the VA website last night.

Tried using Chrome and Explorer on a Win 7 machine. Tried using Safari on a mac, even tried the ipad! All browers had problems.

Eventually got the bookings made, but it was buggy as hell.

Bad form VA.
 
Seriously going by everyone's experiences here you've got to wonder what other priorities VA could have (apart from keeping planes in the sky etc). What could be more important that fixing the websites so people can do their bookings with no hassles? Haven't seen a comment from the VA rep lately but I haven't looked through all threads. This would be a good place to comment though.

The sad part about it all is that they had won me back to them for the majority of my travel after a long hiatus. The flying experience was so much better the second time around but if booking stays this painful I'll be back at QF for the immediate future.
 
Is anyone else finding on the homepage when entering origin, you start typing, then click on the name in the list that appears, but it just clears the text box and you start all over again?
 
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