Trump to suspend VWP? [No - a different scheme]

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Reading draft executive order in Huffington Post this morning I noticed lots of blah blah blah about the conditions on certain Muslim countries. Buried at the bottom of the executive order was this:

"Suspend the Visa-Waiver Program indefinitely and review whether existing reciprocity arrangements are reciprocal in practice".

This could make life more difficult for most of us. Wait and see I guess.
 
Re: Trump to suspend VWP?

Ignore. More fake news. In fact is suspension of visa waiver interview program. Mods please delete.
 
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I note news.com.au has picked this up, and has declared it will affect Australian tourists. As OP says, it is fake news.

The actual text of the order is:
"The Secretary of State shall immediately suspend the Visa Interview Waiver Program and ensure compliance with section 222 of the INA (Immigration and Nationality Act), which requires that all individuals seeking a non-immigrant visa, under an in-person interview, subject to specific statutory exemptions."

One of specific statutory exemptions is for a person "who is visiting the United States temporarily for business or temporarily for pleasure". i.e. a tourist

Not to mention that an Australian using the visa waiver program is not even applying for a visa in the first place.


 
Re: Trump to suspend VWP?

As long as we return the favour. Oz crew need visas for the USA, and they can be a pain. We don't make their crew get them...so I'd love to see us reciprocate.
 
Re: Trump to suspend VWP?

So it is true or false? Got confused with the conflicting comments.
 
Re: Trump to suspend VWP? [No!]

A similarly name scheme is being reviewed .

This is not the "Visa Waiver Program" that needs an ESTA.

[Mod hat]Thread title updated to avoid confusion![/Mod hat]
 
Re: Trump to suspend VWP? [No!]

Fake news.
Alternative fact: Its for those renewing certain visa classes - some are eligible to renew their visas without another interview.

Its not the VWP that requires only Esta.
Repeat Fake news please seek alternative facts!!!

Visa Interview Waiver /= Visa Waiver

It's a specific program. See
US Visa Interview Waiver and Visa Renewal

Mind you given the wait for processing at the US embassy in Australia already for those needing Visas, this will only make things worse

Most Aussies seeking a US visa do a B1/B2 / these cant be renewed, a new application is required after the 5 years. Just like a AUS passport cannot be renewed. You have to apply for an new passport. So the queue wont necessarily be longer.
 
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Re: Trump to suspend VWP? [No!]

It's all well and good to point out when a news item might be false, or incorrect, or poorly researched, or whatever. In fact I'd say it's very good to point out inaccuracies. But that doesn't make it fake.

Pizzagate: People looked at documents and saw what they wanted to see - evidence that their non-preferred candidate was up to no good. They published a story without any serious thought about whether the allegations were real because they knew their audience would love it. Article spreads like wildfire on social media which boosts revenue.

VIWP: People looked at a document and saw what they wanted to see - evidence that Trump was a lunatic, or evil, or stupid, or anything else negative. Australians love to feel like they are smarter than Americans, so anything that shows how poor their choice of President is is going to be popular. Bonus points if that stupid President will have a direct negative affect on Australians. Article spreads like wildfire on social media which boosts revenue.

In both cases, 5 minutes of thought and basic research would reveal the story to be bogus. But when the publisher has a financial incentive to publish the story, why would they bother with 5 minutes of effort that might stop them? Abandoning even the most minimal effort to ensure truth in reporting in favour of publishing whatever is popular means it is no longer news. It is entertainment pretending to be news. Hence the Fake News label is accurate.

Admittedly, pizzagate is an order of magnitude worse than this VIWP nonsense. But then News Ltd and SBS are supposedly an order of magnitude more trustworthy than infowars.
 
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Pizzagate: People looked at documents and saw what they wanted to see - evidence that their non-preferred candidate was up to no good. They published a story without any serious thought about whether the allegations were real because they knew their audience would love it. Article spreads like wildfire on social media which boosts revenue.

VIWP: People looked at a document and saw what they wanted to see - evidence that Trump was a lunatic, or evil, or stupid, or anything else negative. Australians love to feel like they are smarter than Americans, so anything that shows how poor their choice of President is is going to be popular. Bonus points if that stupid President will have a direct negative affect on Australians. Article spreads like wildfire on social media which boosts revenue.

In both cases, 5 minutes of thought and basic research would reveal the story to be bogus. But when the publisher has a financial incentive to publish the story, why would they bother with 5 minutes of effort that might stop them? Abandoning even the most minimal effort to ensure truth in reporting in favour of publishing whatever is popular means it is no longer news. It is entertainment pretending to be news. Hence the Fake News label is accurate.

Admittedly, pizzagate is an order of magnitude worse than this VIWP nonsense. But then News Ltd and SBS are supposedly an order of magnitude more trustworthy than infowars.
It's more likely that people read Visa Interview Waver Program, didn't know what the "Interview" part was and assumed it was the ESTA required VWP.
 
Re: Trump to suspend VWP? [No!]

Friends keep posting about it on facebook; keep trying to point out the difference between interview waiver and visa waiver but apparently some of them arent that cluey.
 
Re: Trump to suspend VWP? [No!]

Friends keep posting about it on facebook; keep trying to point out the difference between interview waiver and visa waiver but apparently some of them arent that cluey.

They probably think you live in Austria anyway.
 
Re: Trump to suspend VWP? [No!]

It's all well and good to point out when a news item might be false, or incorrect, or poorly researched, or whatever. In fact I'd say it's very good to point out inaccuracies. But that doesn't make it fake.

Feds: alleged 'Pizzagate' gunman circulated InfoWars conspiracy video | TheHill Pizzagate was Fake news

This is merely incorrect - USA visa waiver program for Australians: Trump may scrap visa-free entry
If it's good enough for Trump to call everything fake, why can't we???
 
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