TransAsia Airways Bridge Crash

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Apparently there was a check pilot in the coughpit as well.

Does sound similar to Kegworth

History has a habit of repeating itself. And those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

As always conjecture at the moment but the trickling out of information does point the cause in the direction of history
 
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ATR's are notoriously crashworthy.

Don't believe me? Just google.

Bad choice, Virgin!
 
ATR's are notoriously crashworthy.

Don't believe me? Just google.

Bad choice, Virgin!

I'm sure if you handle any aircraft no matter the manufacturer in the way the Transasia pilots did this ATR, I would think the results would be the same.
 
Gosh I hadn't even read about that, Virgin PR did a good job keeping that buried from major mainstream press coverage.

I was actually only jokingly referring to the high level of 'gone techs' of the ATRs that the VA crew chuckle about.
More a case of the main stream media not caring. It didn't crash, and it wasn't Qantas.
 
I was reading the AV Herald and noticed it mentioned the RH engine failure first, to which the crew responded by lowering the thrust on the LH engine to idle, before switching fuel off for that engine. Seems like either an error in reporting or a stupid thing to do, with my limited understanding of the situation being that if one engine fails you probably want to keep the other one working, not turn it off?

On Feb 6th 2015 Taiwan's ASC reported that the investigation so far determined from flight data and coughpit voice recorders: the aircraft received takeoff clearance at 10:51L, in the initial climb the aircraft was handed off to departure at 10:52:33L. At 10:52:38L at about 1200 feet MSL, 37 seconds after becoming airborne, a master warning activated related to the failure of the right hand engine, at 10:52:43L the left hand engine was throttled back and at 10:53:00L the crew began to discuss engine #1 had stalled. At 10:53:06L the right hand engine (engine #2) auto-feathered. At 10:53:12L a first stall warning occured and ceased at 10:53:18L. At 10:53:19L the crew discussed that engine #1 had already feathered, the fuel supply had already been cut to the engine and decided to attempt a restart of engine #1. Two seconds later another stall warning activated. At 10:53:34L the crew radioed "Mayday! Mayday! Engine flame out!", multiple attempts to restart the engines followed to no avail. At 10:54:34L a second master warning activated, 0.4 seconds later both recorders stopped recording.

Later the day Feb 6th 2015 the ASC also released an English version of the initial release detailing further that when the first master warning activated associated with the right hand engine the crew "called it out", then the left hand engine thrust lever was progressively retarded to flight idle. At 10:53:24L the condition lever was set to fuel shut off position resulting in the shut down of the left hand engine. Following several call outs to restart the left hand engine the parameters suggest the left hand engine was restarted at 10:54:20L, however, at 10:54:34L another master warning sounded, the CVR recorded unidentified sounds and both recorders stopped.

Also... crazy stuff with Virgin!
 
I was reading the AV Herald and noticed it mentioned the RH engine failure first, to which the crew responded by lowering the thrust on the LH engine to idle, before switching fuel off for that engine. Seems like either an error in reporting or a stupid thing to do, with my limited understanding of the situation being that if one engine fails you probably want to keep the other one working, not turn it off?



Also... crazy stuff with Virgin!

That's what was noted up thread, reportedly from Black Box, so no not an AV Herald error. I don't think anyone is drawing cast iron conclusions yet, but it's looking like a horrible mistake may be involved.
 
That's what was noted up thread, reportedly from Black Box, so no not an AV Herald error. I don't think anyone is drawing cast iron conclusions yet, but it's looking like a horrible mistake may be involved.

Should have flicked back a page, oops!
 
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