The WP shadow

[boomy]

But the issue remains - why did the CSM keep asking them to move to the back if they wanted to sit together. That question implies there was a reason why they couldnt do it at the front.

I never said the CSM asked them to move, he just told them about vacant seats in the back and suggested they can sit together there. He didn't need to point out that 4E was empty, they were not blind. From where I sat I could clearly hear and see everything and at no point during the flight there was any attempt by the person next to me to move next to his partner in 4E. He was just too lazy to get up from his seat.
I don't really understand the point you are trying to make here. It's not that relevant if they could sit together in the front or not. If two people choose to sit apart for whatever reason they have, they should not keep talking loudly to each other across the aisle, disturbing other pax sitting next to them.

 

[Princess Fiona]

I observed premium boarding in MEL one morning. Passengers, who seemed to be from a lounge, specifically chose not to use the priority boarding lane because they didn't want to push in on those waiting in the general queue. Their brief couple of words to each other revealed they considered it bad manners to skip to the front.

Use of priority boarding is not an indication of status, but the decision not to use priority boarding may be an indication of manners.

IMO that's just crazy ! Using a premium boarding lane should be nothing at all to do with manners. If an Airline provides a service that I am eligible to use then I will use it. I don't regard this at all as pushing in.
Would those same people stand at the back of the general boarding lane for QF1 for fear of being thought of as pushing in ?

 

[amaroo]

IMO that's just crazy ! Using a premium boarding lane should be nothing at all to do with manners. If an Airline provides a service that I am eligible to use then I will use it. I don't regard this at all as pushing in.
Would those same people stand at the back of the general boarding lane for QF1 for fear of being thought of as pushing in ?

+ 1

The only bad manners in regards to PB - the intentional queuing in a lane where entitlement does not exist.

 

[Pushka]

My point is that for some reason they may have thought they couldn't sit together up the front. And the CSM reinforced that by them asking if they would like to move to the back so they could sit together.

That's all.

 

[juddles]

....Use of priority boarding is not an indication of status, but the decision not to use priority boarding may be an indication of manners....

So very true.

My goal is ALWAYS the same on almost every flight - to board LAST. Personal thing as even when flying up the front I am in no rush to get on. But even though I almost always qualify for priority boarding, I feel like a wanker to stroll up to the priority queue and swan through in front of the mother´s balancing 5 children and elderly people who as amateurs queued for 20 minutes before the gate actually opened. Yes, I earned/paid for the priviledge. But I don´t use it. Likewise baggage tags. Why on earth would I want anyone to know I am a very important person????

 

[boomy]

So very true.

My goal is ALWAYS the same on almost every flight - to board LAST. Personal thing as even when flying up the front I am in no rush to get on. But even though I almost always qualify for priority boarding, I feel like a wanker to stroll up to the priority queue and swan through in front of the mother´s balancing 5 children and elderly people who as amateurs queued for 20 minutes before the gate actually opened. Yes, I earned/paid for the priviledge. But I don´t use it.

Depends how many bags you have. Sometimes it's better to board sooner then later to secure overhead space.
When I travel light I don't bother with PB but when I have more then one bag I make sure to use my privilege to board via PB lane and no, I don't feel like a wanker for doing that.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

IMO that's just crazy ! Using a premium boarding lane should be nothing at all to do with manners. If an Airline provides a service that I am eligible to use then I will use it. I don't regard this at all as pushing in.
Would those same people stand at the back of the general boarding lane for QF1 for fear of being thought of as pushing in ?

I think there is a difference between single and dual/triple boarding bridges. Or even the situation in some parts of Asia where the general boarding queue is not processed at all until the priority queue is cleared. But where the priority queue actually cuts in to those who might be already shuffling along, it's not for everyone to want to push in.

So very true.

My goal is ALWAYS the same on almost every flight - to board LAST. Personal thing as even when flying up the front I am in no rush to get on. But even though I almost always qualify for priority boarding, I feel like a wanker to stroll up to the priority queue and swan through in front of the mother´s balancing 5 children and elderly people who as amateurs queued for 20 minutes before the gate actually opened. Yes, I earned/paid for the priviledge. But I don´t use it. Likewise baggage tags. Why on earth would I want anyone to know I am a very important person????

And that was pretty much what I could gather from the few words spoken about it by the aforementioned pax.

 

[Princess Fiona]

I think there is a difference between single and dual/triple boarding bridges. Or even the situation in some parts of Asia where the general boarding queue is not processed at all until the priority queue is cleared. But where the priority queue actually cuts in to those who might be already shuffling along, it's not for everyone to want to push in.



And that was pretty much what I could gather from the few words spoken about it by the aforementioned pax.

Fair enough, we can agree to disagree.
IMO using a separate priority boarding lane is not and never will be "pushing in"

 

[amaroo]

Depends how many bags you have. Sometimes it's better to board sooner then later to secure overhead space.
When I travel light I don't bother with PB but when I have more then one bag I make sure to use my privilege to board via PB lane and no, I don't feel like a wanker for doing that.

When I'm bag free - I'd be one of the last to step on board.

When doing a HLO road trip or family holiday - I like to get those suckers up top quick smart so it's not 15 seats behind me.

In regards to bag tags - only put them on the small rollers when I know I'm going to check it in .... all other times, my HL is tag-less.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Fair enough, we can agree to disagree.
IMO using a separate priority boarding lane is not and never will be "pushing in"

a passenger coming from the qantas domestic business lounge, towards the end of boarding, with a single gate agent (or where both gate agents are now processing the general boarding lane), and stepping in front of my 80 year old mother who is next in line simply because they have status is not 'pushing in' and is not bad mannered?

i cannot agree to disagree with you on that one, because for me there is only one right answer.

 

[amaroo]

a passenger coming from the qantas domestic business lounge, towards the end of boarding, with a single gate agent (or where both gate agents are now processing the general boarding lane), and stepping in front of my 80 year old mother who is next in line simply because they have status is not 'pushing in' and is not bad mannered?

i cannot agree to disagree with you on that one, because for me there is only one right answer. Status doesn't give anyone the right to be ignorant (at best) or bad mannered (at worst).

Geez, how do cope with - T3 transit lanes ... on-line (booking) no queue at the movies ... fast track thru security ... hire car drive and go set ups ..... the list is endless!

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Geez, how do cope with - T3 transit lanes ... on-line (booking) no queue at the movies ... fast track thru security ... hire car drive and go set ups ..... the list is endless!

separate channels, where the two don't mix... not an issue.

but when two lines merge in to one there is potential for pushing in. some pax are mindful of that, some aren't.

 

[Princess Fiona]

a passenger coming from the qantas domestic business lounge, towards the end of boarding, with a single gate agent (or where both gate agents are now processing the general boarding lane), and stepping in front of my 80 year old mother who is next in line simply because they have status is not 'pushing in' and is not bad mannered?

i cannot agree to disagree with you on that one, because for me there is only one right answer.

No I don't think they are pushing in or bad mannered. There is nothing to stop the passenger with status standing at the priority boarding lane and asking for the agent to process your elderly mother before them. That would be good manners IMO.

 

[dodgeyhack]

a passenger coming from the qantas domestic business lounge, towards the end of boarding, with a single gate agent (or where both gate agents are now processing the general boarding lane), and stepping in front of my 80 year old mother who is next in line simply because they have status is not 'pushing in' and is not bad mannered?

i cannot agree to disagree with you on that one, because for me there is only one right answer.

If being well mannered is the aim, shouldn't the WP also offer your mother his/her better seat also (e.g. 4C)?

In the situation where you arrive at to an empty PB lane and the other lane is being processed, it's polite to offer the next person in the front of the other line, who was expecting to be processed next, to go before you. But waiting at the end of the line is pointless imo. If I added up all the time spent queuing for a plane in a year, it's going to be a lot longer than anyone in the other line so using the privilege of priority boarding just makes sense.

 

[cirqueboy]

Reading this thread and I think I am mistaken for the United FT forum.

Get a grip guys and girls.

 

[amaroo]

separate channels, where the two don't mix... not an issue.

but when two lines merge in to one there is potential for pushing in. some pax are mindful of that, some aren't.

The cinema I attend has two lanes feeding into one food service counter - I love walking up and getting serviced straight away or next available ... no matter how long the other queue is.

Status concept is basic and widely accepted - it's not rude, ill-mannered or any other whinge word one can articulate. Like I said up-thread - the only rude people in the PB arena are the queue jumpers that can't read or simply ignore the signs.

 

[JessicaTam]

Reading this thread and I think I am mistaken for the United FT forum.

Get a grip guys and girls.

I am sitting in Milan waiting for my train. I am quite relaxed so I have a heap of chill pills spare if anyone wants them.

 

[Princess Fiona]

I am sitting in Milan waiting for my train. I am quite relaxed so I have a heap of chill pills spare if anyone wants them.

I'm completely chilled, the Chablis is flowing, life is good

 

[amaroo]

I'm completely chilled, the Chablis is flowing, life is good

Likewise! Lovely Sav Blanc followed by an equally lovely Cab Sav does the business I knocked up a decent meal this evening - will post in the OTT

 

[gbetox]

No shadow again, DFW-SYD...

Also, no greeting from the CSM on both ways. I had to ask twice for an Express Card. Is this another enhancement?