The End of Cheap Status

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Personally, I'd prefer status was harder to get. It's very annoying being in a First Class Lounge full of passengers travelling in economy class eating and drinking as much as they can before they board their aircraft and head to the back of the plane.

Doing 11 domestic sectors in the USA to attain status so you can sit in a First Class Lounge on a $39 JQ ticket is of absolutely zero value to Qantas.

IMHO, all airlines would be better off only allowing those travelling in the most premium cabin on any particular flight to utilise the first class lounges. There are business class lounges for others.

How exactly do you think you know what class people are flying in from how much they eat or drink?

If platinum members (and let's not forget that Qantas has said they built the first lounges for us platinum members) were only allowed to use the business lounge, there would be bugger all difference between gold and platinum, and I for one would probably not have ever bothered trying to requalify as platinum after I stopped flying for work so much.

On the broader issue, I always figured the first class status credits from AA were too good to last. It's been great while it lasted though - I requalified two years using AA status runs.
 
How exactly do you think you know what class people are flying in from how much they eat or drink?

If platinum members (and let's not forget that Qantas has said they built the first lounges for us platinum members) were only allowed to use the business lounge, there would be bugger all difference between gold and platinum, and I for one would probably not have ever bothered trying to requalify as platinum after I stopped flying for work so much.

On the broader issue, I always figured the first class status credits from AA were too good to last. It's been great while it lasted though - I requalified two years using AA status runs.

I'll make a few observations...

1) If you were to plot on a graph how much pax were effectively paying per status credit, you'd likely find the 'AA runners' as outliers at one end of the image. Restricting the entire program earn because of outliers would be a poor decision for multiple reasons.

2) Pax holding gold/plat status spend more. More on airfares, more on the ground and more on disposable income type services in general. This is good for QF.

3) These outliers who have nothing better to do than go to the USA and do runs are making a significant investment in doing so. There is the multiple days of your life spent flying, overnights and a soul destroying experience in domestic US travel. For these reasons, it will never become mainstream.

4) Status members are more likely to be earning credit card points. This, in many instances, can be more profitable for the group than flying.

An important factor to remember is that status is how YOU perceive your rank/value with the airline. The airline/FFP ranks you very differently to pure status. Most airlines, including Qantas, have scoring systems which dynamically change every day depending on your activity. It's possible for a Bronze member to be more valuable to Qantas than a Platinum One member.

Factoring in the above, and that frequent flyer points are even easier to obtain now than ever before in history; if anything - we're heading towards status becoming even easier to obtain.
 
But I am an outlying outlier.I actually enjoy flying to the US-in premium cabins of course.Love travelling in the USA having slept in all 50 states.Moreover I actually enjoy flying AA domestically.
 
But I am an outlying outlier.I actually enjoy flying to the US-in premium cabins of course.Love travelling in the USA having slept in all 50 states.Moreover I actually enjoy flying AA domestically.
Maybe not 50 states but me too.

Also, DL provides a more than competitive pointy end service ... who'd have thunk it ...
 
It reads as though everything already booked for travel post the changeover date will be re-issued in the new booking class.I guess SC runs just became more expensive with no overall change to the service. Will be interesting to see what happens with Award tickets. I presume that this will be beneficial for that type of travel.
The content in the screenshots are intended for agencies. Basically yes, AA will issue the fare class change as a schedule change and agencies are supposed to reissue the ticket as an involuntary change so it will apply to everyone post-change-date.
 
I seem to have innately predicted this. My 2017 DONE5, unusually, has only one AA sector that booked into F, as 4 sectors are in/out of the Caribbean/Mexico and the single trans-con is in D on the A321T.

Pffft, so 40 SCs evaporate - but it still leaves a mere 1510 for the trip :cool:.

It seems that the upside of these changes will be the ability to book QF codeshares on AA in D, thereby reaping more points :).

You win some, you lose some...
 
I'm hearing that the schedule change with the change of fare class is apparently happening on 12/11 with flights on 11/01/2017 onwards being affected.
 
I'm hearing that the schedule change with the change of fare class is apparently happening on 12/11 with flights on 11/01/2017 onwards being affected.


What about flights booked before then? ORC as usual?
 
This might be a nuisance to some people but I personally am delighted to see it. "First" class on US domestic flights is so basic that it distorts things badly. Calling it business is much more compatible with the rest of the world. One issue was that a business class RTW ticket got downgraded to economy for US domestic flights.

But AA isn't calling it Business. It will still be offered and sold and all the rest as First; just the underlying fare bucket will be Business.

Danger, you read my mind! If you're selling it as first, and pricing it as first, then it should darn well credit as first. The quality of the cabin is irrelevant.
Very disappointed at the change given we have flights booked for next year.
 
Danger, you read my mind! If you're selling it as first, and pricing it as first, then it should darn well credit as first. The quality of the cabin is irrelevant.
Very disappointed at the change given we have flights booked for next year.

I agree but I think the airlines including QF will view it otherwise and the tables will be updated accordingly.

I hope I'm wrong of course.
 
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I agree but I think the airlines including QF will view it otherwise and the tables will be updated accordingly.

I hope I'm wrong of course.

The right thing to do would be to honour F SC for bookings prior to the change...but I doubt that will happen.
 
Yes they are but I'm not sure that will extend to situations where the original flights and cabins are flown but the booking code has been changed in advance by the airline.

It will certainly be murky. I presume if your original booking said "first", your original ticket said A, P or F and your boarding pass says "first" you'd have a very good case for ORC.
 
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The problem is that this change basically has no effect on Aadvantage members as earning is now based on spend.You get bonus miles depending on your status but not on class of travel on AA.Class of travel has never counted for AA members for domestic lounge access.
Looking at a couple of routes before and after this change the prices are the same-though still saying first at present.
So I doubt that QF or indeed any of the other OW airlines are going to give you F points later next year on domestic routes apart from the 3 class transcon flights.
 
Yes they are but I'm not sure that will extend to situations where the original flights and cabins are flown but the booking code has been changed in advance by the airline.

This is purely an observation, but each flight booking would contain a bunch of data points such as 'original_booking_date', 'original_flight_date' and 'flight_taken_date'. The points/loyalty tables reference would point to the table which was active under the 'original_booking_date', and thus you should receive credit as per the status credit/points earning table as of your original booking date.

Now, however, if Qantas isn't set up like this - it would be terribly inefficent and would make changing status/points earning tables a nightmare internally.

Internal IT efficiency is what makes me think from a tech perspective that your flight will credit as per when you initially made a reservation.
 
Though I presume you will have a BP that doesn't have first on it.
 
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