The COVID-19 vaccine rollout in Australia has begun

[Lynda2475]

Boosters were not on the horizon back then

Boosters have been discussed for most of the year, in fact our Moderna order was predicated on the bulk of those doses being for boosters, go back to the media announcements when the deal was signed. I also posted articles about why AZ and J&J technology makes them unsuitable for repeated use as boosters year after year.

 

[drron]

Boosters have been discussed for most of the year, in fact our Moderna order was predicated on the bulk of those doses being for boosters, go back to the media announcements when the deal was signed. I also posted articles about why AZ and J&J technology makes them unsuitable for repeated use as boosters year after year.

Except if you read the study of the third AZ dose I posted on here you would be surprised to know your predicted outcome did not occur.The response to the third dose at 6+ months was greater than that for the first or second doses.The theoretical problem you allude to did not happen hence why ATAGI is not opposed to AZ boosters.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Today's Virgin Australia contacts alert got me wondering what is Virgin's status re mandatory vaccination of customer facing staff?

 

[mviy]

Except if you read the study of the third AZ dose I posted on here you would be surprised to know your predicted outcome did not occur.The response to the third dose at 6+ months was greater than that for the first or second doses.The theoretical problem you allude to did not happen hence why ATAGI is not opposed to AZ boosters.

I do wonder if repeated use of Pfizer and Moderna may increase the risk of rare side effects like myocarditis. It could prove that AZ is much safer for repeated use than the mRNA vaccines.

 

[Lynda2475]

No no mrna related deaths in Australia, and where there have been cases of myocarditis and pericarditis following a vaccination they have not always ruled out other causes.

For overwhelming majority of younger people an mrna vaccine is safe than AZ and there would be zero reason to choose an az booster if an mrna was available as they will be.

Not objecting to having an az booster is not the same as recommending them for such.

And the CMO was spruiking mrna boosters yesterday, but maybe you also feel he isnt qualified to do so.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

I think ACT Health announces on their twitter the vaccination rates that will be published by the Federal Health later today.

Yesterday Federal Health published for ACT (population: 344,037 (16+), 19,693 (12-15) = 363,730 for 12+)
First dose: 330,243 (16+) + 16,552 (12-15) = 346,795 = 95.3% (of 12+)
Second dose: 244,186 (16+) + 1,406 (12-15) = 245,592 = 67.5% (of 12+)

Today ACT Health twitter announced 97.1% first dose and 69.3% second dose for 12+

 

[CaptainCurtis]

where there have been cases of myocarditis and pericarditis following a vaccination they have not ruled out other causes.

That's a sweeping, generalised statement and is not reflective of my experience - multiple specialists (cardiologists, rheumatologists and immunologists) have ruled out other causes and have all concluded my diagnosis of pericarditis has been caused by my first pfizer jab.

 

[Princess Fiona]

That's a sweeping generalised statement and is not reflective of my experience - multiple specialists (cardiologists, rheumatologists and immunologists) have ruled out other causes and have all concluded my diagnosis of pericarditis has been caused by my first pfizer jab.

The TGA report also confirms reports of pericarditis and the rarer myocarditis following MRNA vaccines.

Of course these are more prevalent with Covid infection than vaccination.

 

[CaptainCurtis]

The TGA report also confirms reports of pericarditis and the rarer myocarditis following MRNA vaccines.

Indeed, per the latest weekly safety report:

These events can occur due to other causes, including common viral infections, so it is expected that not all cases are related to vaccination. Our ongoing analysis of Australian data with Comirnarty (Pfizer) indicates there is a higher-than-expected number of cases of myocarditis in vaccinated compared to unvaccinated individuals and that cases are more common in teenage boys after the second dose. This is similar to findings from other drug regulators overseas. Cases are usually short-lasting and resolve following treatment and rest.

Not sure how people here can suggest there is a lack of causation.

 

[Lynda2475]

The latest TGA report says "These events can occur due to other causes, including common viral infections, so it is expected that not all cases are related to vaccination". It also states that "Cases are usually transient and resolve following treatment and rest". Earlier versions questioned definite causation.

We are not seeing widespread hospitalizations (or any deaths) due to mrna vaccines in Australia and advice has not changed, they are the recommended option for under 50s, in fact what has changed is they have been opened up to everyone 12+, yet no one is recommending AZ for 12-17.

Its awful you had an very rare complication, but that does not make AZ a better candidate for most, given there are still tts cases popping up and the one thing keeping those numbers lower is younger people choosing the recommemded mrna option.

It also does not prove that all cases being noted as a reaction to a vaccine were indeed caused only by vaccination. Just like dying with covid doesnt mean covid was cause of death, especially if you have other conditions.

 

[Quickstatus]

Boosters have been discussed for most of the year,

Yes discussed and orders put in place even before SV had provisional approval. But no concrete plans on recommendations or practicalities announced at any stage until recently

I do wonder if repeated use of Pfizer and Moderna may increase the risk of rare side effects like myocarditis

The Israelis use PZ as booster. Currently only about 10-20 cases of mild myocarditis in young men only (cant recall exactly) out of 1.5 million PZ boosters.

 

[mviy]

NSW has reached 90.14% first dose for 16+. VIC has reached 85.19% catching up a little towards NSW's first dose rate, but still way behind on 2nd doses.

50.41% of 12-15 year-olds have had their first dose (that's over 1 in 2).

 

[N860CR]

Today's Virgin Australia contacts alert got me wondering what is Virgin's status re mandatory vaccination of customer facing staff?

Mandatory very shortly. I believe those who haven’t complied have very few days left.

 

[mviy]

Every age group 70-74 and up has reached 95% first dose except 95+ which is at 91%.

Every age group 70-74 and up has gone past 80% fully vaccinated except 95+ at 76.7%.

Every age group 50-54 and up has gone past 70% fully vaccinated except 60-64 at 69.7%.

35-39 is at 79.5% first dose. So within a few days every age group 35-39 and up will have reached 80% first dose.

So we have extremely high vaccination numbers in the most vulnerable age groups.

QLD and WA should reach 70% first dose for 16+ within the next few days or so of numbers and TAS should reach 80%.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

I think ACT Health announces on their twitter the vaccination rates that will be published by the Federal Health later today.

Yesterday Federal Health published for ACT (population: 344,037 (16+), 19,693 (12-15) = 363,730 for 12+)
First dose: 330,243 (16+) + 16,552 (12-15) = 346,795 = 95.3% (of 12+)
Second dose: 244,186 (16+) + 1,406 (12-15) = 245,592 = 67.5% (of 12+)

Today ACT Health twitter announced 97.1% first dose and 69.3% second dose for 12+

Well someone can't count.....AIR not matching ACT Health info

Today's Federal update had ACT as:
First dose: 331,508 (16+) + 16,820 (12-15) = 348,328 = 95.8% (of 12+)
Second dose: 247,348 (16+) + 1,705 (12-15) = 249,053 = 68.5% (of 12+)

Very different to ACT Health's 97.1% and 69.3%

 

[mviy]

What population numbers does ACT use?

The population number you use and how accurately you identify where people live all make a difference. In a poll being within a few percent would be acceptably within a margin of error.

With vaccination numbers it's not like a few percent more or less is going to make the difference between the vaccination levels being awful or great.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

What population numbers does ACT use?

The population number you use and how accurately you identify where people live all make a difference. In a poll being within a few percent would be acceptably within a margin of error.

With vaccination numbers it's not like a few percent more or less is going to make the difference between the vaccination levels being awful or great.

I haven't found the population number that ACT Health uses for 12+.

I'll just wait for ACT Health to get to over 100% .... as that seems most likely (97.1% first today, 96.7% first yesterday)

 

[justinbrett]

What population numbers does ACT use?

The population number you use and how accurately you identify where people live all make a difference. In a poll being within a few percent would be acceptably within a margin of error.

With vaccination numbers it's not like a few percent more or less is going to make the difference between the vaccination levels being awful or great.

It was reported there is quite a lot of NSW residents (eg Queanbeyan) who were vaccinated in the ACT, and also a lot of visiting political staffers and media.

 

[Quickstatus]

What population numbers does ACT use?

It was reported there is quite a lot of NSW residents

The ACT is almost like the LGA of Sydney (not greater sydney). Large numbers but never labelled as an LGA of concern

 

[drron]

No no mrna related deaths in Australia, and where there have been cases of myocarditis and pericarditis following a vaccination they have not always ruled out other causes.

For overwhelming majority of younger people an mrna vaccine is safe than AZ and there would be zero reason to choose an az booster if an mrna was available as they will be.

Not objecting to having an az booster is not the same as recommending them for such.

And the CMO was spruiking mrna boosters yesterday, but maybe you also feel he isnt qualified to do so.

There have however been deaths from vaccine myocarditis/pericarditis overseas as one of the complications particularly of myocarditis can be sudden death due to an arrhythmia which is why it is recommended that those who do get this complication have heart monitoring.

Basically all authorities that monitor vaccine reactions including Australia believe that myocarditis/pericarditis are complications of mRNA vaccine administration.
Funny you give mRNA vaccines an out because there are other causes of myocarditis yet are in universal condemnation of AZ even though there are othe causes of thrombocytopenia plus thrombosis.Not all cases recorded as VITT in Australia have the classic test results of VITT.

I have no problem the CHO spruiking mRNA vaccines as boosters.He did not say however that AZ should not be used as a booster.