The Alan Davies Affair [QF FA Swears at PAX?]

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Today I have been following "The Alan Davies Affair" on Twitter. For those that don't know.....Alan Davies is an English comedian and actor, and allegedly was told to F off by a QF flight attendant who also made his 2 year old daughter cry. It was apparently down to his daughter accessing the F toilet!!

He tweeted this and it has been widely picked up and commented upon by other tweeters. Now Qantas Customer Care is on the case, again via twitter.

I hesitate to post links to the tweets because the language is quite strong, but a Google search for Alan Davies and Qantas will take you to the tweets.

Why am I posting this? Well I'm interested in how Qantas is handling this. It has become public quickly, and it is a "celebrity". QF customer care on Twitter is already very apologetic, before any investigation has taken place.
 
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Toilet usage, kids in first class, dykwia...
This thead has almost everything!

Mods, can we delete this thread now just to save everyone the trouble?
 
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Impossible to know what really happened, especially when you only have one side of the situation presented in 140 character bites.

No excuse at all if the FA really did tell him to F off, but the "made my daughter cry" stuff seems irrelevant really - two-year olds cry all the time, and I'm sure it wasn't the first or last time on that flight that she did so.
 
Yes another public relations fiasco looming I think.
OT: I predict it wont be long before the thread gets hi-jacked by the J passengers using F loos brigade :rolleyes:
Interesting that customer care have chosen to respond on twitter so quickly.
 
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Actually this thread is the first result on google with those terms.:D

I assume this person is someone who thinks he is important?
 
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Actually this thread is the first result on google with those terms.:D

I assume this person is someone who thinks he is important?

LOL - AFF is a victim of it's own success!!!! Item no 2 is where you need to be at this moment in time!!

I don't know the ins and outs other than he is on QI and was in Jonathon Creek amongst other TV programs.
 
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What a d*** h***. Just take to Twitter and bad mouth the airline instead of taking it up through the proper channels. Such is the way of the attention seeker these days.
 
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I would put money on it as well, that being typically British, Alan Davies would use the F word every sentence.

@alandavies1... MEH
 
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*yawn* AFF feels like its becoming another pathetic story from Today Tonight/A Current Affair or a Woman's Day mag... :(
 
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Like all large businesses there are some bad eggs that give a bad name to everyone - If this is indeed true, i think the majority of FA's at QF would be shaking their heads at the person who treated a guest in such a way.
 
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I'm interested in how QF is dealing with this as much as anything. A celebrity alleges he has been sworn at by a QF FA using the public medium of twitter. QF Customer Care, unless a follower of Alan Davies, picks up on this via third party retweets, or tweets commenting on the original tweet by others.

QF Customer Care tweets a public apology to Alan Davies and promises to investigate, asking Alan Davies to follow them on Twitter to allow DM. If anything it demonstrates just how tricky the social media is for a large company like QF. If they say nothing then they will be damned, if they respond they will also be damned.

Mods - This is probably in the wrong section!! (I wasn't really paying attention when I created the thread!!!)
 
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It's not that tricky and, in this case, they've taken the correct course of action - apologise, placate the customer, set up a direct line of communication and promise to investigate. How it goes from there depends on what they find out, but regardless they can't afford to be negative or dismissive.

They would have picked up on this because Davies used the #qantas hash tag, and they would presumably regularly check up on what's being said using that tag. Unlike the disastrous #qantasluxury affair, they've dealt with this entirely appropriately so far.

You have to consider as well that on the flpside if Davies is shown to be an a** and DYKWIA he will suffer a reputational loss as well - particularly significant given the target demos of QI - so I doubt he'd have done so willy nilly. There's undoubtedly a differing view from both sides, so I'd imagine that from here on out it's in the interests of both parties to sort things out quickly and relatively quietly.
 
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<puts on resident social media expert cap, as bestowed by simongr>

They would have picked up on this because Davies used the #qantas hash tag, and they would presumably regularly check up on what's being said using that tag. Unlike the disastrous #qantasluxury affair, they've dealt with this entirely appropriately so far.
Partial credit, and a two part answer coming.

On your suggestions of #qantasluxury being a disaster

I've previously and comprehensibly addressed my views on this - and again it wasn't one by any stretch of the imagination. I will however add that due to the sheer volume of tweets on #qantasluxury there was simply no way to address them all - let alone respond to a comedian who was having a joke at the carrier's expense. Not exactly anything actionable the airline could have done with Anderson's and ors. tweets.

The Davies situation is quite a different matter, in that he's specifically alleged a staff member of the carrier used offensive language towards him and by proxy his child by being in close proximity. This complaint is something that is tangible and actionable, and the company has the power to address it to make good with the passenger & improve things in their house.

A parallel would be better drawn to the Stephen Fry situation, in that he left his wallet onboard when his A380 diverted tech to DXB. Again, this is something that is actionable (reuniting pax with wallet and important documents), and improve things in their house (remind pax to take such items with them if ever departing in a port for non-emergency reasons).

On how they would have caught this

Any company using Social Media who's worth something will be monitoring a whole range of tags, keywords, product-relevant phrases, names, combinations, as well as common misspellings for same.

Also, Qantas uses a social media management package known as Radian6* - which is the Rolls Royce product and makes corporate social media people go weak at the knees.

This would likely have detected not only the original tweet, but also the high number of re-tweets of the post when these started to happen. It can The package would, assuming rules are correctly set, have fired off an alert to the relevant team member warning them something was brewing and needed attention.

Further, the package would have garnered metrics and information about the user making the original tweet from the various systems for social media that measure user influence (ie Klout, Kred and PeerIndex) to determine just how influential this person is. It is in a way the application of the same upgrade priority principals within Aleta to the social media environment.

Now I'm not suggesting that QF's social media team prioritise their responses so that only the important people hear from them - far from it. I both know and have seen that QF endeavours to respond to and engage with everyone who mentions them, who needs assistance, and does so as fast as the fingers of the team will allow them to. It's just that these systems allow companies to detect when something is getting big - and maybe divert focus to it for a while (when it's actionable and fixable) to head it off at the pass.

* yes, it even has bugs and engineering defects - much like the Trent 900 on VH-OQA, but that wasn't the reason I referenced RR here no matter how inside baseball humorous it might be. It was the old axiom of the assumed quality that comes with the brand and product.

You have to consider as well that on the flpside if Davies is shown to be an a** and DYKWIA he will suffer a reputational loss as well - particularly significant given the target demos of QI - so I doubt he'd have done so willy nilly. There's undoubtedly a differing view from both sides, so I'd imagine that from here on out it's in the interests of both parties to sort things out quickly and relatively quietly.
Davis has a larger audience than just the Qi crowd, specially with his comic work and weekly TV drama (ie Jonathan Creek).

Will they sort it out quickly - absolutely. QF social media would likely have already spoken with Reservations and obtained his PNR, spoken with the Airport Manager at the inbound base; requested they coordinate and gather all the relevant information, and get back to them ASAP to find out what is wrong. From there, QF's existing customer service policies would kick in, with on-ground staff contacting the pax in question and making things right (as well as any HR processes arising from the incident).

The question is if QF will publish what they have done on their social media channels. My view is they should as part of closing the feedback loop, and drawing a clear line under the incident.
 
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According to one of his tweets. The girl was in his arm crying when the steward allegedly told him to **** off.

Doubt a steward would tell anyone to **** off as a first step to resolving problems.
 
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Very interesting background info, thanks for that thewinchester.

Respectfully disagree on #qantasluxury, but that's just IMHO - I don't think they dealt with it well. Whether or not it has caused any lasting damage is another issue, and I agree that it probably won't be too bad. I still feel as an initiative it was incredibly ill conceived.

This does present a hidden opportunity for QF - if there's scope to deal with Davies' issue in a mutual satisfactory manner and bring him back on side, then putting a line under it and making it known that this issue was so resolved would be a net positive I would imagine. Of course, the uncontrollable variables there are the nature of the problem and Davies' willingness to accept a reasonable response - I wouldn't doubt it if it were Stephen Fry, but can't say the same for Davies for certain.
 
I just read the Herald Sun article and I am wondering why Alan Davies would let his two year old play in the bathroom in the first place? You don't go to the bathroom to play. I am just thinking what the bathroom floor looks like after a few hours of flying, it's gross. Why would you let your child go there to play?

I don't care if the child in the the F, J, PE or Y toilet a child that young needs someone looking after him/her. If there was some unexpected turbulence and the child was injured what's the bet he would be tweeting that Qantas was negligent. After all the whole world is responsible for my children but I am not attitute seems to prevail.:shock: The classic DYKWIA in a nutshell.

If the Qantas FA swore that is very unprofessional and does need to be addressed. I don't know if there is much Qantas can do about parents not taking adequate care of their children though.
 
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What a d*** h***. Just take to Twitter and bad mouth the airline instead of taking it up through the proper channels. Such is the way of the attention seeker these days.
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Exactly. And very one sided too - given comedians seem to use that swear word regularly, he might have used that language to the crew. I feel for the crew involved because they have been painted in a bad light before answering to anyone on thier actions. Do through the correct channels - not Twitter. It is clear he isn't flying Qantas again so I don't think QF media can do too much now.

Being in first class doesn't you any right to disregard instructions and let your child do what they want. A 2 year old can cry so easily.

By the way, who is Alan Davies anyway..........never heard of him!
 
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Being in first class doesn't you any right to disregard instructions and let your child do what they want

I doubt he and daughter were in first. Not if the twitter posts are correct:
she was playing.It's a *** of a long flight ¬ a long walk to anywhere. She didn't think dad's on tv I'll go in 1st, she's 2.
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sadly we weren't flying first class, that's why my two year old got a *******ing I suppose, for going in the 1st class loo..
Probably part of the reason why there was a problem. But still...
 
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What a d*** h***. Just take to Twitter and bad mouth the airline instead of taking it up through the proper channels. Such is the way of the attention seeker these days.

Umm.... what proper channels?? Contacting customer care to get a stock standard impersonal letter and a $200 travel voucher if you're lucky? Good on him for using technology to maximum effect.
Unfortunately you need to publicly shame them into a providing a tangible response which it seems they are.
 
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