The Alan Davies Affair [QF FA Swears at PAX?]

[medhead]

Funny he doesn't say what language he used to elicit this response.Sure the FA should not have responded in this way but the fellow obviously thinks he is important enough to do what he likes.

Or perhaps he thinks the other J pax are important enough for him to do whatever it takes to stop the child from crying when they are trying to sleep.

You are able to supervise your child for every single second of every single hour of every single day?? We all get tired, we all fall asleep without knowing it, for all we know, she could have been asleep, the father dozed off and then she woke up. What do you honestly expect him to have done? Miraculously woke up at the exact time as she did?

As a general rule, I agree with you, but in reality its downright impossible.

Except he wasn't asleep and he was with the child as drron has just demonstrated. So this scenario is not correct.

And I can manage to stay awake the whole time when my children are awake, especially at 2 years old.

 

[The Rok]

The child wandered.... so what? its a sealed aircraft, she couldn't have gotten that far, and if it was

Have you never seen Flightplan with Jodie "Marble Mouth" Foster?

Flightplan (2005) - IMDb

 

[pauly7]

EDIT: gave an opinion with too much insight into the character from a professional association

All I'll say now is those who are questioning the character of this guy (AD) are bang in track!!

 

[wilco]

Not sure what's wrong with what I've stated but I would like to respond to a few of the assertions which I believe you are interpreting from my post:
I did not state or assert that a parent flying solo should monitor their child every waking minute.
I'm not sure how anyone can be sure of the rights and wrongs of the QF CSA's handling of the situation whereby they found an unaccompanied toddler playing in the F toilet and accompanied them back to their seat in J. Perhaps you have some knowledge not published openly thus far.
I passed no comment/opinion on the FA dropping the F bomb on @alandavies1. In fact had I expressed an opinion it would have agreed with yours.
To paraphrase your post "children wander and a simple word to the parent was all it would have taken",
I would say that we don't know if in fact that is what occurred and the subsequent events were triggered by the response from the parent of the wandered child ( however in error the CSA might have been).

It wasn't directed at you personally but more so the version of events that you presented (which I'm not suggesting is your opinion) and all I was doing was offering an alternate view or explanation to those events. Im certainly not saying that you or I are right or wrong (because neither of us were there), I was merely highlighting the other side of the coin.

I have no more knowledge that anyone else on this matter, but no matter how obnoxious the pax was, there is no excuse for the FA's behaviour, if it was, as claimed.

Have you never seen Flightplan with Jodie "Marble Mouth" Foster?

Sadly I have and that is 2 hours I will never get back!!

 

[wilco]

Or perhaps he thinks the other J pax are important enough for him to do whatever it takes to stop the child from crying when they are trying to sleep.



Except he wasn't asleep and he was with the child as drron has just demonstrated. So this scenario is not correct.

And I can manage to stay awake the whole time when my children are awake, especially at 2 years old.

Demonstrated in what way? Because he was there?

This whole story is one of innuendo and heresay and I question the value in discussing hypotheticals, especially when certain people like to disect an argument and send it off on all sorts of irrelevant tangents.

 

[TonyHancock]

Demonstrated in what way? Because he was there?

This whole story is one of innuendo and heresy

Now my interest is genuinely piqued. As a keen reader of Foxe's Book of Martyrs I'm always interested in a bit of heresy, although my understanding is that Alan Davies is an atheist.



edit: Ah I see, not heresy...but hearsay. Disappointing really, I was looking forward to a good burning at the stake.

 

[skywalkerLAX]

You are able to supervise your child for every single second of every single hour of every single day?? We all get tired, we all fall asleep without knowing it, for all we know, she could have been asleep, the father dozed off and then she woke up. What do you honestly expect him to have done? Miraculously woke up at the exact time as she did?

As a general rule, I agree with you, but in reality its downright impossible.

A two year old toddler is getting up in the middle of the flight (own seat or booked as lap child?) and wanders around the cabin all the way up to F, opening the lav door and using it as a playground!!?? That is A) impossible and I would think B) is a big piece of the story missing in that guy's tweet.

Honestly: If I travel with a two year old I either stay awake or make sure the child is secured in a seat belt or cot. What happens when there is sudden turbulence?

I agree that in your own home you don't have your eyes on the kid permanently but during travel this better be the situation.

 

[Robert K]

If you can't keep an eye on your children, probably shouldn't be a parent.

 

[Walter_Plinge]

Some contributors herein must be living in a bubble -- Davies is a well-known if not famous British comedian. He got his start in stand-up using exceptionally foul language. Like most people of modest background who become famous he probably has enormous self-regard and sense of entitlement. Unfortunately, whatever the merits of the case, this is lose/lose for Qantas.

 

[medhead]

Demonstrated in what way? Because he was there?

This whole story is one of innuendo and heresay and I question the value in discussing hypotheticals, especially when certain people like to disect an argument and send it off on all sorts of irrelevant tangents.

As I understand it drron has quoted direct eyewitness accounts from twitter, in which the person involved stated they were with the child. That is a first person account and cannot be heresay. Frankly, you are being misleading in claiming that the account from the person involved is heresay, or perhaps you don't really understand the meaning of the term. Either way false information is the greatest irrelevance.


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[thewinchester]

I post the following, quoted from the recent post of bossreggie in another thread on abbreviations, in which its context to this discussion had me laughing heartily:

Mmmmmm

Has got me thinking.

ISISKIF I swore I saw a kid in First

ISAAKISIF I swore at a kid I saw in First

ISISAKSAIF I swore I saw a kid sworn at in First

 

[wilco]

I agree that in your own home you don't have your eyes on the kid permanently but during travel this better be the situation.

If you can't keep an eye on your children, probably shouldn't be a parent.

Thats a tad on the ignorant side isnt it??

Thats how kids drown in swimming pools, die in hot cars and go missing at shopping malls. I dont think any parent (with some exceptions) would wish this upon any child, but sadly sometimes, things happen, whether intentionally or otherwise.

 

[wilco]

Now my interest is genuinely piqued. As a keen reader of Foxe's Book of Martyrs I'm always interested in a bit of heresy, although my understanding is that Alan Davies is an atheist.



edit: Ah I see, not heresy...but hearsay. Disappointing really, I was looking forward to a good burning at the stake.

cheeky sod.... lol

 

[wilco]

As I understand it drron has quoted direct eyewitness accounts from twitter, in which the person involved stated they were with the child. That is a first person account and cannot be heresay. Frankly, you are being misleading in claiming that the account from the person involved is heresay, or perhaps you don't really understand the meaning of the term. Either way false information is the greatest irrelevance.

oh yes... that world wide authority that is twitter......

I said that the entire story is misleading and based on heresay, not drron's comment, or the first person accounts made on twitter.

If you think I am being intentionally misleading, for what purpose I dont know, please feel free to not read my posts. And whilst im at it, take your accusations and negativity elsewhere.......

 

[Princess Fiona]

Sadly I have and that is 2 hours I will never get back!!

At least on the Flight Plan film, you and I are in agreement

 

[medhead]

oh yes... that world wide authority that is twitter......

I said that the entire story is misleading and based on heresay, not drron's comment, or the first person accounts made on twitter.

If you think I am being intentionally misleading, for what purpose I dont know, please feel free to not read my posts. And whilst im at it, take your accusations and negativity elsewhere.......

Actually twitter is not the authority, the person writing the twit is the authority.

Saying the account of the person at the centre of the problem is hearsay, is misleading IMO. Nothing negative about correctly defining hearsay.


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[drron]

Like no one on this forum has never used a higher class loo?? It happens all the time, especially on narrow body aircraft.



Lots of things wrong with this.

I think its unreasonable for a parent (travelling solo) to be expected to monitor the child for every waking minute and if the FA saw her playing in the loo, they could have handled it very differently. Chastising a 2 YO is IMO, not cool and I think any parent would take issue with that.

The child wandered.... so what? its a sealed aircraft, she couldn't have gotten that far, and if it was a repeat problem, a simple word to the parent to be mindful of the child annoying F pax is all it would have taken, but to take it out on the child is just inappropriate and unacceptable. And like I said, who hasn't used a higher class toilet at least once in their life? and as adults, we should know better.....

You are able to supervise your child for every single second of every single hour of every single day?? We all get tired, we all fall asleep without knowing it, for all we know, she could have been asleep, the father dozed off and then she woke up. What do you honestly expect him to have done? Miraculously woke up at the exact time as she did?

As a general rule, I agree with you, but in reality its downright impossible.


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I actually posted Alan davies twitter messages because I was trying to correct some scenarios that had been posted as in the quotes above.

It was a wide bodied aircraft.
The father was with the child.
The FA did not chastise the child when she was alone.
The father was not asleep.
All this comes from the Father's account of events.

Demonstrated in what way? Because he was there?

This whole story is one of innuendo and heresay and I question the value in discussing hypotheticals, especially when certain people like to disect an argument and send it off on all sorts of irrelevant tangents.

oh yes... that world wide authority that is twitter......

I said that the entire story is misleading and based on heresay, not drron's comment, or the first person accounts made on twitter.

If you think I am being intentionally misleading, for what purpose I dont know, please feel free to not read my posts. And whilst im at it, take your accusations and negativity elsewhere.......

Really!The previous quote sure made me think you were saying I was going on hearsay and taking the thread of on irrelevant tangents.

 

[spudseamus]

Maybe we will need Jonathan Creek to investigate the whole affair

 

[skywalkerLAX]

Thats a tad on the ignorant side isnt it??

Thats how kids drown in swimming pools, die in hot cars and go missing at shopping malls. I dont think any parent (with some exceptions) would wish this upon any child, but sadly sometimes, things happen, whether intentionally or otherwise.

Accidents happen. A plane too has potential sources for accidents, it is NOT a safe playground.

A kid drowning in a swimming pool while mom is cooking dinner in the kitchen or dad getting a tool out of the garage is a tragic accident. Not having the kid secured with a proper seatbelt (which a 2 year old should not be able to free himself from [e.g. car]) so it is able to walk around while the parent is asleep or being lifted out of the seat during turbulence with daddy sitting 20cm to the left is negligence IMHO.

I don't think there is anything ignorant with my opinion. Kid's grow older and until they are old enough to know where to go on their own or watch out for dangerous things parents have the responsibility to supervise. Tired or not. If you are tired on a 7h flight then order a coffee in this situation!

But this is a FF and not a parenting board.

 

[wilco]

I actually posted Alan davies twitter messages because I was trying to correct some scenarios that had been posted as in the quotes above.

It was a wide bodied aircraft.
The father was with the child.
The FA did not chastise the child when she was alone.
The father was not asleep.
All this comes from the Father's account of events.




Really!The previous quote sure made me think you were saying I was going on hearsay and taking the thread of on irrelevant tangents.

Not having been there yourself, you kind of are (but lets not get into the legal definition of what exactly constitutes heresay), but at the end of the day my comment was not directed at you or anyone else in particular. It was that AD will say one thing, the FA will say another and despite the merits of the case or lack thereof Qf will be the piggy in the middle and suffer the bad publicity that cannot be undone no matter what unfolds.....