'Sully' the movie about landing on the Hudson River NYC [SPOILERS]

[coriander]

Well that is just opposite to The National Gallery of Art. Tell SWMBO that The Smithsonian Museum of Flight is simply an extension of The National Gallery of Art

I thought the air museum was way over woop woop in Virginia near IAD. I've been looking at public transport to try to work out how to get there from DC next year. Sully's plane (or what's left of it) is in Charlotte, I believe.

 

[jb747]

I thought the air museum was way over woop woop in Virginia near IAD. I've been looking at public transport to try to work out how to get there from DC next year. Sully's plane (or what's left of it) is in Charlotte, I believe.

The Smithsonian has two components in Washington. On in the main mall, which is very easy to get to. The other pretty much requires a car. Uber might be your friend.

 

[Fifa]

I went to see the movie this evening and really enjoyed it.
The whole time it kept my interested and was over all too soon!

 

[Himeno]

AA announced that they won't be including it on their IFE, even though they helped make it.
Hopefully some other oneworld airline will have it on IFE at some stage. (98% of the movies I see are on IFE)

 

[get me outta here]

This article has a bit more on the movie and the investigators: What the 'Sully' Movie Gets Wrong

 

[JohnM]

This article has a bit more on the movie and the investigators: What the 'Sully' Movie Gets Wrong

Hmnnn, interesting.

Like the allegorical last line...!

 

[BAM1748]

This article has a bit more on the movie and the investigators: What the 'Sully' Movie Gets Wrong

It gets the entertainment bit right.

 

[Pushka]

It gets the entertainment bit right.

Sure does.
I wonder how much the portrayed 'treatment' adds to the enjoyment - a lot! Also explains why Hanks et al are so stressed in the movie and the real Sully wasn't. The real Sully was never so under the hammer from the investigators.

 

[jb747]

I wonder how much the portrayed 'treatment' adds to the enjoyment - a lot! Also explains why Hanks et al are so stressed in the movie and the real Sully wasn't. The real Sully was never so under the hammer from the investigators.

The real Sully would have been hideously stressed in the aftermath. The event would have replayed over and over in his head. He would have reconsidered every decision. And the 'what ifs' would have been interminable. Whether he was convinced he'd done the right thing or not would not have mattered. But, I doubt that audiences would have any chance of understanding that, so providing an external source for the stress makes some sense.

 

[Boof1]

The Smithsonian has two components in Washington. On in the main mall, which is very easy to get to. The other pretty much requires a car. Uber might be your friend.

Off Topic: If you are keen on going and want to save $$$ you can catch the metro and bus, which is what I did a few years back. Details are here: https://airandspace.si.edu/visit/museum-dc/directions/traveling-between-locations
it will be much easier when the whole metro system goes out to Dulles but that is so delayed it's not funny (they signed the contracts in 2008!).

Back on topic: I really liked the movie, and was impressed with the CGI work, even down to the correct aileron movements in the turn towards the river. I'm sure that there is some things that may not be 100% with the investigation but given how aviation is normally portrayed in movies I thought those involved did a great job!

 

[Pushka]

The real Sully would have been hideously stressed in the aftermath. The event would have replayed over and over in his head. He would have reconsidered every decision. And the 'what ifs' would have been interminable. Whether he was convinced he'd done the right thing or not would not have mattered. But, I doubt that audiences would have any chance of understanding that, so providing an external source for the stress makes some sense.

Yes of course, he would have punished himself mentally more than what the investigators might have dished out.

 

[marki]

I am waiting for the movie on iTunes it's already pre-order on US iTunes account ( yes there is a way around this geographic absurdity)

Yes of course, he would have punished himself mentally more than what the investigators might have dished out.

 

[Skyring]

Just read a quick comment from a pilot who has seen it. Very thumbs up.

Tom Hanks is someone with a lot of pull in Hollywood. He wouldn't accept the role unless he felt his character was positive, and if there was anything that portrayed his character in a bad light, he'd lean on the scriptwriters to slant it a different way.

Given that the movie was based on a book ("Highest Duty") co-written by Sullenberger, and Tom Hanks spent some time with him before filming, it's pretty well a given that the character is overwhelmingly positive.

Likewise, the conventions of Hollywood are that protagonists are not passively reacting to events. They are active players in the game. "Sully" is dealt a bad hand with the flock of geese, but from that moment he is going to draw on his extensive aviation past to be a hero, doing all he can to save his passengers, and to then defend his actions after the event.

That's Hollywood.

Having said that, I've not heard anything to the contrary about the actual ditching. The pilot made his decisions in the short time available, he saved all passengers and crew, he didn't kill anyone on the ground, err surface.

 

[Skyring]

The Smithsonian has two components in Washington. On in the main mall, which is very easy to get to. The other pretty much requires a car. Uber might be your friend.

The Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum is on the Mall (the ceremonial axis running from the Capitol to the Lincoln Memorial, with the Washington Monument halfway along. It contains the Apollo 11 spacecraft, the "Spirit of Saint Louis", and about a hundred other aircraft, heavily oriented towards educational displays. It is an incredible experience for anyone with stars in their eyes. Budget a day, and be prepared for masses of tourists and school groups.

The NASM Annex is at Dulles, remote from the main terminals. Entry is free, but you either pay for parking, or pay for transport to get there. You could walk there, I guess - budget a day or two. It is a vast hangar, less exhibit-oriented, more a collection of the aircraft that wouldn't fit in the main building. A space shuttle, a Concorde, the "Enola Gay", an SR-71, and hundreds of other air and space craft, large and small. It is equally amazing. Usually not quite so crowded as the main museum, which is a bonus.

For anyone interested in aviation history, these are must-see museums, along with the Seattle Museum of Flight and RAF Duxford.

 

[astrosly]

Had to laugh when I saw this.

As well as the movie where he was stuck in an airport terminal for a couple of years

Looking forward to seeing "Sully" but it won't be up this way for a couple of months.

 

[Wingin..it]

:mrgreen:Saw the movie liked the ending ;real Sully and passengers pop up.
The movie itself was like any movie portraying a real life event ,some added drama and not so accurate facts etc but the aspects of "this can happen ,and it did, and how did it end " makes it worth viewing.
Like the Gimli glider was it the right pilot in the right place for the incident or any pilot drawing on that inner strength when put in a life threatening situation???Certainly some teams and pilot combos may work together better but it is good to see a mainstream movie made about things like this.
I think the investigative part could have been more to the real facts because the statements about the thrust still in motor being made before the engine was pulled out of the water would not be true investigate professionalism?
Tis the question :?:;did it need added drama or a more honest true to life account of all the events It still had a certain element of drama with Sullies stress etc.

 

[Skyring]

Yes of course, he would have punished himself mentally more than what the investigators might have dished out.

I know it's not your intention, but just the thought of a scenario where pilots are punished after the event as a lesson to others is scary.

If there is some actual incompetence - perhaps alcohol or drugs - then sure, some punishment is merited.

But far better to employ people with the mental ability and the experience to be an airline pilot, and to train them to do the job. Give them the resources they need. Test them regularly and pull their ticket if they aren't up to the task.

Depending on actual incidents and accidents as the driving force in pilot motivation is a terrible way to arrange things. The pilot shouldn't be thinking in a moment of crisis, Geez, I'd better do the right thing or they'll fine me and maybe throw me in prison. He should be thinking, here's the drill I've practiced, here's the procedures I've been taught, how can I make the best use of the limited resources and time I've got. Thoughts of punishment and future courtroom scenarios are the last distraction he needs at that time.

It's probably easy, once the forensics are in and all the facts available, to pick some optimum route through the crisis that might have led to a different outcome. But the pilot isn't sitting at a table with every fact laid out neatly, charts spread open, leisure to examine every alternative. He's got a few seconds of limited knowledge to make crucial decisions. Life and death decisions, in this case. And certainly there will be alarms and alerts and interruptions.

This is combat level, personal survival stress the pilot is going to be feeling. And pretty much coming into it cold.

From a Hollywood point of view, where the audience knows the ending already, it's a difficult tale to structure effectively. The climax is obviously Sully's crisis in the coughpit, but how do you fill the eighty minutes before that point without boring the audience rigid? Rearranging the story to give the investigation more prominence seems to be the solution chosen here, but I find that course a little shallow. Sullenberger did the best job he could, he relied upon his training, he achieved a good outcome. Nit-picking and criticising his performance afterwards for the sake of drama rings a little false to my ear.

But hey, a Tom Hanks movie is going to put bums on seats and eyeballs on screens, and that's what counts, right?

 

[jb747]

I know it's not your intention, but just the thought of a scenario where pilots are punished after the event as a lesson to others is scary.

Punitive cultures are quite common, even amongst major, and supposedly "safe" airlines. Their solution will always be more rules.

Nit-picking and criticising his performance afterwards for the sake of drama rings a little false to my ear.

Not just for the sake of drama. There will always be a percentage of the pilots who'll try to pick any performance apart, I suspect in the mistaken belief that they'd have done better. Non flying airline management are probably even worse, 'cos in their minds, flying is easy.

 

[opusman]

Punitive cultures are quite common, even amongst major, and supposedly "safe" airlines. Their solution will always be more rules.

And then there's Air India which recently announced that pilots caught drunk twice will face a temporary suspension

 

[jb747]

And then there's Air India which recently announced that pilots caught drunk twice will face a temporary suspension

Perhaps it's a case of having to be drunk to go flying with them.....