Strategy to obtain UK Amex

It was a new application - I kept my Australian amex cards. At the time I applied I was living in the UK so I had a permanent address, and was able to provide a bill (council tax) with my name and address on it. I have a UK offshore bank account which I can pay the Amex from but Amex themselves didn't ask for details about it. There was also no income verification (in fact, no real verification of any kind I could see - since I had no credit history in the UK at that point). I am a UK citizen but not sure if that made a difference or not.
Not sure if you got the same, but I have some UK Amex cards that were also listed against my Aussie address - part of some revised terms that came into effect from 1/10/2023 required accounts to be registered to a UK residential address.

They didn't contact me or give me any other contact about changing it back (I've read recently that some UK banks have been giving EU residents a hard time and closing accounts if they cannot provide a UK address), so enforcing that condition doesn't seem to have commenced, or we may be grandfathered in, but something to bear in mind for anyone wanting to do that in the future.
 
Not sure if you got the same, but I have some UK Amex cards that were also listed against my Aussie address - part of some revised terms that came into effect from 1/10/2023 required accounts to be registered to a UK residential address.

They didn't contact me or give me any other contact about changing it back (I've read recently that some UK banks have been giving EU residents a hard time and closing accounts if they cannot provide a UK address), so enforcing that condition doesn't seem to have commenced, or we may be grandfathered in, but something to bear in mind for anyone wanting to do that in the future.
This sort of thing is so frustrating

A little Google ‘research’ indicates that there is nothing illegal or even dodgy about having a UK bank account or credit card & living abroad …. it’s just that the banks and finance companies (Amex) are too lazy to administer it

Like Australia and NZ the UK has a large expat community living all over the world. Why do banks want to make life so difficult?

I use a mail forwarder called Expost. Expensive but a good service and the address is recognised by most organisations including the DVLA
 
This sort of thing is so frustrating

A little Google ‘research’ indicates that there is nothing illegal or even dodgy about having a UK bank account or credit card & living abroad …. it’s just that the banks and finance companies (Amex) are too lazy to administer it

Like Australia and NZ the UK has a large expat community living all over the world. Why do banks want to make life so difficult?

I use a mail forwarder called Expost. Expensive but a good service and the address is recognised by most organisations including the DVLA
I completely agree. It's not even just Amex in fairness and, while I'm not aware of whether the EU might have some rules to add a level of complexity, banks can service non-EU residents, so using Brexit as an excuse was a bit of a cop-out/laziness because they cba to conform with some local requirement (but look at how almost every bank in the world is now complying with the US' IRS request to keep tabs on its overseas citizens who are liable to pay tax).

The larger ones, exactly like Amex, HSBC, etc., have no excuse, as they're setup almost worldwide anyway, so they absolutely can administer it.

I've maintained a full presence in all three countries (including Australia), because it's a hassle to start again if you ever want to. UK is a little easier as I have my Sister living there, who is happy to be (or at least tolerating being!) my mail consolidator 🤣. I still hold a UK driving licence, passport (although that's near expiry) and am registered to vote (albeit as a non-resident citizen). US a little more difficult, but it works.

Sadly Ireland, where I also hold citizenship and a passport, doesn't have much to offer in the way of points and miles...I did have a EUR bank account with Ulster Bank there for a while (and remained exempt from the stamp duty on bank/credit cards, as a non-resident), but they introduced fees and made it difficult for non-residents, so ultimately I closed it.
 
This from the T&Cs for both the BA Premium & Platinum Cards

We'll use your most recent contact details to contact you. You must notify us immediately if you change your address, email address or mobile number. Your residential address can’t be changed to an address that is not in the United Kingdom.

Interesting; if you were to genuinely do a GT from the UK to Aus or the US then presumably the Amex expectation would be that you must close your UK card account - unlike Australia where it specifically states that you are not required to close your Australian card account when you move overseas

I wonder why?
 
This from the T&Cs for both the BA Premium & Platinum Cards



Interesting; if you were to genuinely do a GT from the UK to Aus or the US then presumably the Amex expectation would be that you must close your UK card account - unlike Australia where it specifically states that you are not required to close your Australian card account when you move overseas

I wonder why?
That wording wasn't there in the old versions of the T&Cs, they seem to be reducing the overseas operations carried out by Amex UK; the ICC EUR & USD card are administered by Amex UK, but are no longer available to new applicants:

"Effective 2 October 2023, all existing International Currency Card (“ICC”) Cardmembers and any Supplementary Cardholder must reside in the UK, or in one of the following countries noted below. If you reside in one of these countries, you may apply for an American Express ICC until 1 October 2023. From 2 October only UK residents will be able to apply for an ICC and Supplementary Cardmembers applying at the same time must also reside in the UK.

United Kingdom, Australia, Belgium, Brazil, China, Cyprus, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Hong Kong, Ireland, Italy, Lebanon, Luxembourg, Malta, Mexico, Monaco, Portugal, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Spain, Switzerland, United Arab Emirates.

This list is subject to change."


Interestingly that list included a lot of EU countries, which were all specifically excluded before this change (which was circulated in July 2023) - no applications from USA, Singapore or EU residents. I noted at the time that made Amex available in Ireland for the first time in many years, since they withdrew around the time of the GFC, then excluded Irish customers from the ICC.

Of course that's now moot, as they're once again excluded again (although it seems that somehow you may be able to apply as a UK resident and keep it if you move overseas to a permitted country - "please note, you can no longer apply for these Cards directly from American Express." - I assume some private banks or whatever might be able to apply for them on behalf of their customers still (Barclays certainly could at one point).

The Platinum for years offered a 30k signup bonus too, but that's not mentioned on the website either now. I still have one, and have about six months until the annual fee is due. Whether I'll keep it, I don't know; it's essentially cheap, comprehensive travel insurance (compared to policies available domestically in Australia) and a place to store MR points at the moment.

As for GT-ing from UK to elsewhere, if you can keep a UK address on file, that seems to keep them happy. I have changed my UK cards (not the ICC) back to a UK address, so as to not rock the boat. ICC will retain an Aussie address for as long as that's a permitted country (and if that comes to it then I'll definitely cancel it).
 
Interestingly, I was just looking at my (UK) account online and noted the “moving abroad” link. It essentially describes the GT process and within the FAQ section it notes that, with respect to your existing (UK) cards, if you do move abroad ……

Your existing Cards are not impacted in any way. If you maintain accounts in multiple countries, please note you are responsible for all balances, fees and liabilities on open accounts.
This would appear inconsistent with the revised T&Cs 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
Not strictly AMEX related but since the Aspire pulled Priority Pass I've been exploring other options to retain lounge access. I'm currently paying $700/year for the Australian Citi Prestige card for this perk as I have an insane amount of travel this year. The Capital One Venture X would be about $600/year (much of which is offset) but would require an ITIN I believe.tin us

Which leads me to the UK HSBC Premier World Elite. 199 GBP annual fee (so $400) and you get unlimited PP access which seems the cheapest way to obtain it.

HSBC claim they will consider your Australian credit history if you're new to the UK so I'm very curious if I could just become HSBC Premier in Aus, get them to create a UK account for you, and then apply for the card.

Main downside is the 3% fx fee which would make hitting getting the SUP more difficult or expensive. Am I missing anything?
 
Not strictly AMEX related but since the Aspire pulled Priority Pass I've been exploring other options to retain lounge access. I'm currently paying $700/year for the Australian Citi Prestige card for this perk as I have an insane amount of travel this year. The Capital One Venture X would be about $600/year (much of which is offset) but would require an ITIN I believe.tin us

Which leads me to the UK HSBC Premier World Elite. 199 GBP annual fee (so $400) and you get unlimited PP access which seems the cheapest way to obtain it.

HSBC claim they will consider your Australian credit history if you're new to the UK so I'm very curious if I could just become HSBC Premier in Aus, get them to create a UK account for you, and then apply for the card.

Main downside is the 3% fx fee which would make hitting getting the SUP more difficult or expensive. Am I missing anything?
I obtained a hsbc Uk premier card through Aus premiere .
 
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HSBC claim they will consider your Australian credit history if you're new to the UK so I'm very curious if I could just become HSBC Premier in Aus, get them to create a UK account for you, and then apply for the card.

Who can apply?​


You can apply for a Premier World Elite Mastercard if you:


Do you have to be a UK resident to apply for the card, or can HSBC ignore that requirement?
 
Am I missing anything?
I actually thought that you could only get that card through the HSBC Expat account which has ongoing fees Or a significant financial commitment. I had the Expat account briefly, got the Premier World Elite card and then closed the Expat account.

I now have now the Aus HSBC Premier account and a UK local HSBC Premier account. When I tried to can them to change the jurisdiction of the Premier card from the IoM to the UK they said no. Applying for one via the UK account was unsuccessful as a non-resident
 
I actually thought that you could only get that card through the HSBC Expat account which has ongoing fees Or a significant financial commitment. I had the Expat account briefly, got the Premier World Elite card and then closed the Expat account.
"You can apply for a World Elite Premier Credit Card if you: are aged 18 or over maintain a minimum relationship balance of GBP 50,000 or have a sole salary of GBP 100,000 HSBC Premier customers in other countries qualify."

I believe to qualify as Premier in Aus it's either have $150k invested with them or deposit 9k into your account each month. Not a criteria that everyone can meet but if you can I guess the only other hurdle is the UK residency. I have an NI number and UK bank account from my time there a decade ago, wonder if it's as simple as changing the address to a mates place and waiting for a statement.
 
"You can apply for a World Elite Premier Credit Card if you: are aged 18 or over maintain a minimum relationship balance of GBP 50,000 or have a sole salary of GBP 100,000 HSBC Premier customers in other countries qualify."

I believe to qualify as Premier in Aus it's either have $150k invested with them or deposit 9k into your account each month. Not a criteria that everyone can meet but if you can I guess the only other hurdle is the UK residency. I have an NI number and UK bank account from my time there a decade ago, wonder if it's as simple as changing the address to a mates place and waiting for a statement.
Oh, I’ve never seen that.

That’s excellent news.

Could you please provide the link to the specific part of the website where it actually says that. I might pop in an application and close the Expat card
 
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"You can apply for a World Elite Premier Credit Card if you: are aged 18 or over maintain a minimum relationship balance of GBP 50,000 or have a sole salary of GBP 100,000 HSBC Premier customers in other countries qualify."
I have found that comment on the Expat HSBC website …. is that what you were referring to rather than hsbc.co.uk?

The Expat card doesn’t require UK residency - not sure from the wording if it does require you to have an Expat account?
 
I actually thought that you could only get that card through the HSBC Expat account which has ongoing fees Or a significant financial commitment. I had the Expat account briefly, got the Premier World Elite card and then closed the Expat account.

I now have now the Aus HSBC Premier account and a UK local HSBC Premier account. When I tried to can them to change the jurisdiction of the Premier card from the IoM to the UK they said no. Applying for one via the UK account was unsuccessful as a non-resident
My own DP I wasn’t able to get Premier MC or any credit card through HSBC Premier UK as I’m not a resident (they knew i was an Aussie) but got it through Expat and moved everything across from HSBC UK to Expat. The payment is weird as the car is issued by HSBC UK to Expat customers so that’s how I was able to get around it. Expat accounts are essentially UK accounts and I didn’t need to show anything in support of my application - not sure if that’s the same now. Might explain my GBP5k limit.

It’s not a card I would spend a lot of effort to get esp with the FCC fees. It’s ok given it’s ‘free’ and I don’t have a fee to keep my Expat account though I do seem to be gradually shifted from a relationship manager (which was overkill for the amount of $$ I have on deposit) to a call center.
 
Don't see an upside except for a cheaper way to get PP in Australia - a lot for work to save $300 (Citi PP includes restaurants too)
You don't see an upside for your situation & spend.

As I said upthread, it depends on personal circumstances and it works for me and it may work for others

I have UK, US and Australian credit cards - in my personal circumstances, I find value in all of them. If you can't see value, don't apply.
 
My own DP I wasn’t able to get Premier MC or any credit card through HSBC Premier UK as I’m not a resident (they knew i was an Aussie) but got it through Expat and moved everything across from HSBC UK to Expat. The payment is weird as the car is issued by HSBC UK to Expat customers so that’s how I was able to get around it. Expat accounts are essentially UK accounts and I didn’t need to show anything in support of my application - not sure if that’s the same now. Might explain my GBP5k limit.

It’s not a card I would spend a lot of effort to get esp with the FCC fees. It’s ok given it’s ‘free’ and I don’t have a fee to keep my Expat account though I do seem to be gradually shifted from a relationship manager (which was overkill for the amount of $$ I have on deposit) to a call center.
Interesting.

I had an Expat account but they charged me £35 per month as an account keeping fee notwithstanding that I met the income threshold to have the fee waved.

I applied for the CC and also have a £5k limit but never get anywhere near that; it is just a back-up for the Amex

So I closed the Expat account and opened an HSBC UK local account via my Premier relationship in Australia. I use that account to pay my UK bills. including phone & Amex. Works well

I have retained the Premier Mastercard obtained via my Expat account. Mind you, it is due for renewal this month and I haven't heard anything from HSBC about sending a replacement card yet 🤷‍♂️
 
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