State border closures illegal under the highest law in the country?

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Everything is arguable in law, doubly so in constitutional law. This is a matter for the high court.

But here's my opening argument;

Section 92 of the highest law in the country sets out "On the imposition of uniform duties of customs, trade, commerce, and intercourse among the States, whether by means of internal carriage or ocean navigation, shall be absolutely free. "

Per Cole vs Whitfield 1988 "The notions of absolutely free trade and commerce and absolutely free intercourse are quite distinct". Sec92 clearly sets out the law for interstate trade, but also 'intercourse'.

And on the matter of what intercourse means, per Gratwick v Johnson 1945 it's the ability "to pass to and fro among the States without burden, hindrance or restriction".

Border closures, (and arguably although less certainly isolation requirements), are therefore inconsistent with the highest law in the country and should be set aside.

No one is talking about it, any legal eagles here explain? There's no room on the news for this at the moment, but if people start to fed up with the restrictions, it's worth getting them tested in the high court.

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I think this analysis will answer all your questions: States are shutting their borders to stop coronavirus. Is that actually allowed?

Short version: if there are good public health grounds (for example states of emergency), those laws are likely to be held valid.

Could be worth testing if an individual could be proven to be not a thread to public health, but that would be the exception. Thanks MEL_Traveller for sharing the article.

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It was reported when he filed the new case that Palmer offered to withdraw the borders challenge if he could get a deal on the new case. Surggests he’s not particularly confident of getting much (money?) out of the Border challenge.

The State Government tabled a letter in Parliament, revealing Mr Palmer's firm Mineralogy said if the Government agreed to shift an arbitration hearing relating to its $30 billion claim to another state, it could be "agreeable to withdraw[ing] its High Court challenge... If the State can agree for the arbitration hearing being held in Canberra, Mineralogy could be agreeable to withdraw its High Court challenge on that basis with each party to pay their own costs."

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If I was Alan Joyce I’d be wargaming shutting the whole airline down to force the issue. He has form on this before...
And Canberra Airport looks to be adding to "force the issue", shutting down on Saturdays, planning shut downs for Tuesdays and nights, and saying that they will shut down totally in October and maybe for good/for ever by 2021 if flying does not resume. I'm not usually an apologist for the wealthy Snow family, but I can see their point in our COVID hot spot of canberra.
 
It was reported when he filed the new case that Palmer offered to withdraw the borders challenge if he could get a deal on the new case. Surggests he’s not particularly confident of getting much (money?) out of the Border challenge.



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Well he wouldn't get any money out of the High court challenge as it is a Constitutional matter.But being Clive I imagine he is rather partial for a deal.maybe the Constitutional challenge was just part of his game plan.Wouldn't surprise me.
On this ABC report it would appear it is all about the money.
 
As is his prerogative, the WA Premier and his political machine put out pure spin based on Obiter Dictum. Looks like we'll see what the HC has to say (if anything) on the constitutional matters in October.

In other news, Justice Perkins found that "the best measure to prevent STD spread is complete abstinence by the entire population - it first eliminates the spread spread, then eventually eliminates the population who might spread it".

I prefer the old days when the state's just pretended to hate one another for rugby league purposes.
 
And all because Clive laid claim to free intercourse in another state. 😉
 
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You can find the Federal Court’s decision on the substantive matter here, and another brief decision on the matters arising from the Commonwealth’s withdrawal here.

Numbers below are paras in the main judgement. An interesting discussion of the credibility of the witnesses, a contest won by Assoc. Prof. Lokuge, at 48-62. In any case, the experst submitted a report on matters about which they agreed and disagreed. At 64, the report included:
We are agreed that rapid uncontrolled transmission resulting from the introduction of a single infected individual to a community has been demonstrated to have occurred in multiple settings where there is otherwise good surveillance/testing control ... We are agreed that border restrictions are important to ensure higher transmission risk populations do not spread Covid-19 to lower risk transmission populations.

The court accepted the ‘precautionary principle’ that you manage an outbreak on the basis of what could happen, rather than waiting for evidence that it has happened. (72-76) and it was logical where the consequences of a risk are catastrophic but the likelihood is small.

The court then made some findings at about 82-102 about the consequences (e.g. death and hospitalisation rates) difficulties in testing, lag time in identifying chains and clusters, and a risk assessment, cncluding at 117 that, while there is negligible risk in WA, the border restrictions guard the WA population against a risk of community transmission elsewhere.

The fact f every state closing its borders against Vic gets a mention at 131, and at 134, perhaps perversely, the relaxation of other controls within WA means that border controls assume greater importance.

At 137, the evidence of Prof. Collignon (for the Commonwealth) includes mention in his report on ‘common measures’ agreed among all the states, that includes internal movement controls within States. Coupled with restrictions on the National Border, the Commonwealth’s case against interstate movement is looking somwehat illogical, and various containments other than border containments were not lost on the Court (138). The National Border controls are mentioned when the court concluded that state border controls are effective, based on the evidence of Assoc. Prof Lokuge, and Prof. Blakely (the latter, for the Commonwealth, conceded the point under cross examination). On the relative value of border closures and ‘common measures’, the conclusion at 170 is ‘impossible to say’. However, at 171,
I conclude that the border restrictions offer a tangible and substantial layer of protection to the Western Australian community over the protection offered by the Common Measures.

There follows a discussion of the probability of cases being imported if border restrictions were removed. Here is Prof. Blakely (Along with Prof. Collignon the Commonwealth’s expert) at 191
Professor Blakely calculates, assuming 44,000 Victorians travelling to Western Australia per month (half the pre-COVID-19 numbers), that 21.84 undetected infected Victorians would arrive each month into Western Australia. On that basis, and assuming that travel was unrestricted, he calculates a 100% chance of at least one outbreak of COVID-19 in WesternAustralia each month.

The court follows with a reality check on Prof. Blakely’s estima‘, reduced by the border comtrols to on compliance) noting that not everyone is compli’low’.ant, hence there is criminal justice (206) and outbreaks and rapid case growth blew one of Prof. Blakely’s estimates, by his own admission , out of the water (207).

From 254 to 291, the Court pulls out a risk model and makes its own State by State assessment of the risk of importation from each state, starting with Victoria and noting
The experts seem to be agreed that Western Australia should not remove its border restrictions with Victoria, given the current high levels of community transmission in Victoria.
but also noting the impact that Victoria’s own movement restrictions would have on travel to WA. The ratings, for what they’re worth, are ‘high’ for Vic, ’moderate’ for NSW, ‘low’ for SA, Tas and NT, with Queensland too hard to figure. For WA (292-307) the risk of importation is assessed as ‘high’, and of uncontrolled outbreak as ‘moderate’, reduced to ‘low’ by the border restrictions.

An interesting twist toward the end of what read so far as a demolition of the factual basis of the case of Palmer and the recently departed Commonwealth.
326 Subject to one issue, if mandatory hotel quarantine replaced the current border restrictions for all travellers, I consider that the risk of transmission of the virus to the Western Australia population would not be increased in comparison to the risk that already exists under the current border exemptions and having regard to the current numbers of people in quarantine. However, the issue is the capacity of Western Australia to safely manage increased numbers in quarantine.
The court goes on to note that WA can ‘safely‘ manage seven hotels, and it already manages six, concluding that it can’t safely quarantine the resulting tide if the border floodgates were opened.

The final issue was the relative merits of a targeted restriction or hotspot regime, targeting sub-statecareas. The court noted the problems with finding hotspots that were expanding silently (e.g. Melbourne Suburbs) as detection lags the spread of infection

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You can find the Federal Court’s decision on the substantive matter here, and another brief decision on the matters arising from the Commonwealth’s withdrawal here.

Numbers below are paras in the main judgement. An interesting discussion of the credibility of the witnesses, a contest won by Assoc. Prof. Lokuge, at 48-62. In any case, the experst submitted a report on matters about which they agreed and disagreed. At 64, the report included:


The court accepted the ‘precautionary principle’ that you manage an outbreak on the basis of what could happen, rather than waiting for evidence that it has happened. (72-76) and it was logical where the consequences of a risk are catastrophic but the likelihood is small.

The court then made some findings about the consequences (e.g. death and hospitalisation rates) difficulties in testing, lag time in identifying chains and clusters,

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So now to determine the constitutional basis in the HC? The Fed Court just came up with facts of the matter?
 
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Interesting document the constitution. Written with "good intentions" but well before the flu pandemic, well before the great depression, in a time when colonisation, slavery, the assumption of white supremacy, the suppression of inferior races and women was OK including acceptance of the concept of Terra Nullius (at least by those in power)

Not easily altered (not a bad thing), few alterations along the way (due to difficulty and politics) and interpretation inherently subjective given anyone involved in writing it and approving it is no longer living.
 
So now to determine the constitutional basis in the HC? The Fed Court just came up with facts of the matter?
Indeed. If it gets that far. The Federal Court was given the task of making determinations on facts relevant to the case, a broad remit covered in a statement of issues and additional pleadings by WA. The judgement is a bit topsy-turvy as the questions to be determined are recited and answered in brief at the very end of the judgement.

There was very little that didn’t fallin favour of WA, including quite a lot of Professor . Blakeley’s evidence for the Commonwealth, leaving me considering Palmers chances of success. Possibly similar to snowballs in hell.

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Latest figures from Victoria report almost 2700 health care workers infected with CV19. Half of those work in aged care. Currently some 33 health care professionals are becoming infected every day: 'Alarming and frightening': Scale of COVID-19 spread among Victorian healthcare workers revealed

The data also revealed 117 healthcare workers were hospitalised during the pandemic so far, 12 were admitted to intensive care and there was one death, a disability nurse.​

i would hope this is not reflective of a typical year as a result of the flu?

It seems a big risk to open borders when the potential impacts on the health system are so huge. It's also not fair to impose that on staff.
 
Latest figures from Victoria report almost 2700 health care workers infected with CV19. Half of those work in aged care. Currently some 33 health care professionals are becoming infected every day: 'Alarming and frightening': Scale of COVID-19 spread among Victorian healthcare workers revealed

The data also revealed 117 healthcare workers were hospitalised during the pandemic so far, 12 were admitted to intensive care and there was one death, a disability nurse.​

i would hope this is not reflective of a typical year as a result of the flu?

It seems a big risk to open borders when the potential impacts on the health system are so huge. It's also not fair to impose that on staff.
I agree we should keep the Victorian border closed. The rest of us can get on with our lives at the level of infection occurring in other states and territories.

Closing the Queensland border didn't stop the small handful of infections jumping the border anyway...
 
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I agree we should keep the Victorian border closed. The rest of us can get on with our lives at the level of infection occurring in other states and territories.

Closing the Queensland border didn't stop the small handful of infections jumping the border anyway...

it only takes one person to start an outbreak. As the court said, this is a health emergency, we aren’t looking at economics
 
it only takes one person to start an outbreak. As the court said, this is a health emergency, we aren’t looking at economics
On that basis, are you ever going to be reopening the borders?

Eventually the health emergency is going to become and economic one. By that time, what businesses will be left? I stand by my comments about the airlines. I doubt that either of the big ones will survive. Who would book a ticket given the random, and sudden, nature of the closures. And looking at recent images of the lack of any care being taken in Qld, it would seem only a matter of time before it has its own major outbreak.
 
On that basis, are you ever going to be reopening the borders?

Eventually the health emergency is going to become and economic one. By that time, what businesses will be left? I stand by my comments about the airlines. I doubt that either of the big ones will survive. Who would book a ticket given the random, and sudden, nature of the closures. And looking at recent images of the lack of any care being taken in Qld, it would seem only a matter of time before it has its own major outbreak.
If the Queensland Premier was consistent she would draw a line around SEQ and prevent crossing that border into other parts of Queensland - after all she said she will do "whatever it takes to keep Queenslanders safe". But doing that would hurt the state economy, which she is accountable for - not to mention how politically unpopular that would be. This highlights the true nature of Annastasia's border closure.

Unfortunately there are a small group of people who cannot balance approaches to achieve a balanced health and economic outcome.

Enforcing the health outcome will lead to negative economic outcomes - which then lead to more health outcomes (mental health, suicide and inability to pay for health services).
 
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