Spending "a few" 100K QFF Points to Get from UK to PER?

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I have a few 100k QF miles feeling unloved in my account and was going to use them to fly the folks over at some stage. I haven't looked at QFF in about 10 years or so...... Is QF / QF partner J/F pricing variable these days or is there a standard number of miles I should expect to hit for something like PER-LON?

 

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I have a few 100k QF miles feeling unloved in my account and was going to use them to fly the folks over at some stage. I haven't looked at QFF in about 10 years or so...... Is QF / QF partner J/F pricing variable these days or is there a standard number of miles I should expect to hit for something like PER-LON?

Classic rewards are still a set figure but you will see outrageous any seat points options…

The multi-sector tool is sort of useful for finding days with actual classic award availability.

 

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Classic rewards are still a set figure but you will see outrageous any seat points options…

The multi-sector tool is sort of useful for finding days with actual classic award availability.

I presume there will be some sort of designator/little icon that will show it's classic award availability then?

https://www.qantas.com/gb/en/frequent-flyer/use-points/classic-flight-rewards/tables.html

Point brackets are there, IIRC it prices per segment i.e. a connection through DOH/DXB would be 2x mile bandings? i.e. PER-DOH/DXB as one price due to the distance in miles, then DOH/DXB to LON.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I presume there will be some sort of designator/little icon that will show it's classic award availability then?

https://www.qantas.com/gb/en/frequent-flyer/use-points/classic-flight-rewards/tables.html

Point brackets are there, IIRC it prices per segment i.e. a connection through DOH/DXB would be 2x mile bandings? i.e. PER-DOH/DXB as one price due to the distance in miles, then DOH/DXB to LON.

Prices are per distance, and then per airline grouping. If you stay on the one airline, or within the one grouping, you pay the through fare. If you go outside one airline grouping you’ll have to pay sector fares.

For example stay on qantas the whole way australia to europe it’s one price based on the total mileage. But fly qantas to singapore and then qatar to europe you’d pay once to singapore and then another fare singapore to europe.

 

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I presume there will be some sort of designator/little icon that will show it's classic award availability then?

https://www.qantas.com/gb/en/frequent-flyer/use-points/classic-flight-rewards/tables.html

Point brackets are there, IIRC it prices per segment i.e. a connection through DOH/DXB would be 2x mile bandings? i.e. PER-DOH/DXB as one price due to the distance in miles, then DOH/DXB to LON.

Yes, you see the little award (prize) icon on the standard QF booking engine when there’s classic award seats.

The multi sector uses the same symbol but with the colour coding for different fare classes. It can be a bit misleading with a promise of a J seat but only to find out that one sector (usually the longest is in whY…). Not an issue if you’re looking seats in whY but as mentioned above, work out the QF all the way redemption is and assess any other airline options accordingly.

 

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Prices are per distance, and then per airline grouping. If you stay on the one airline, or within the one grouping, you pay the through fare. If you go outside one airline grouping you’ll have to pay sector fares.

For example stay on qantas the whole way australia to europe it’s one price based on the total mileage. But fly qantas to singapore and then qatar to europe you’d pay once to singapore and then another fare singapore to europe.

Interesting, when I last used QFF miles to do ADL-(MEL)-HBA it charged based on 2x sectors each. All flying on QF obviously!

Thanks for the quick tips guys, now to try and find availability - but that's one for the weekend.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Interesting, when I last used QFF miles to do ADL-(MEL)-HBA it charged based on 2x sectors each. All flying on QF obviously!

Thanks for the quick tips guys, now to try and find availability - but that's one for the weekend.

If there was a stopover or travel did not commence on the same day the sectors will be added.

 

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If there was a stopover or travel did not commence on the same day the sectors will be added.

No stopover and travel all happened on the same day, so, hmm!

 

[serfty]

@Flashback This may help get part way there.

Thread 'Wide open Cathay First availability to/from London Feb/Mar' Wide open Cathay First availability to/from London Feb/Mar

Do you have enough points for a onworld Business award?

 

[serfty]

No stopover and travel all happened on the same day, so, hmm!

ADL-xMEL-HBA is over 600 miles so at least 12K.

Did you travel in different cabin classes?

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@Flashback This may help get part way there.

Thread 'Wide open Cathay First availability to/from London Feb/Mar' Wide open Cathay First availability to/from London Feb/Mar

Do you have enough points for a onworld Business award?

Have about 725k points - so potentially. Need another for 2x PAX.

ADL-xMEL-HBA is over 600 miles so at least 12K.

Did you travel in different cabin classes?

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Y in both directions on all flights given they were only short hops. Used the (now gone) trick to snag row 4 at least.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

No stopover and travel all happened on the same day, so, hmm!

OttT, probably because its not on the same straight route, or more so the same flight, you probably had to change plane in Tulla.

 

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OttT, probably because its not on the same straight route, or more so the same flight, you probably had to change plane in Tulla.

Yes, exactly. There were no through flights from ADL.

So for international long haul then, will the whole 2 sectors only count as a single if it's the same flight number all the way through?

 

[serfty]

So for international long haul then, will the whole 2 sectors only count as a single if it's the same flight number all the way through?

Not really - look up the definition of a trip.

Frequent Flyer Terms and Conditions | Qantas

These Terms and Conditions form the basis of Qantas Frequent Flyer, to protect both Members and the Qantas Group.

www.qantas.com

'Trip' means a series of one or more consecutive Flight Segments within an Itinerary:

(a) that does not include:
(i) a Stopover; or
(ii) a Flight Segment whose arrival city is the same as the departure city of any other Flight Segment in that series (in this instance the Trip will be broken at the farthest point from the departure city for that series);
(b) not exceeding the maximum permitted miles in the Qantas, Jetstar or Partner Classic Flight Reward tables as applicable (see qantas.com for the tables); and
(c) not broken by a change to or from any airline included in the Partner Classic Flight Reward table (see qantas.com for the table).

 

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So essentially for PER-LON it should fall into the 8,401 - 9,600 band, so in theory 126,500 on QF (yeah right!) or 139,200 on QR/EF/CX (for J) each way.

 

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So essentially for PER-LON it should fall into the 8,401 - 9,600 band, so in theory 126,500 on QF (yeah right!) or 139,200 on QR/EF/CX (for J) each way.

MH is the same as the 2nd group.

Also check AY options. They don’t automatically show up but can appear on the multi-city if you force the HEL transit. But might price higher. Similarly BA via SIN but May require a stopover (< 24 hrs shouldn’t increase the points required).

 

[Vic]

OttT, probably because its not on the same straight route, or more so the same flight, you probably had to change plane in Tulla.

probably not... depends on the definition of a trip not changing planes.

 

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MH is the same as the 2nd group.

Also check AY options. They don’t automatically show up but can appear on the multi-city if you force the HEL transit. But might price higher. Similarly BA via SIN but May require a stopover (< 24 hrs shouldn’t increase the points required).

It really goes to show how bad QFF miles are, even Avios which can be considered to not be great compared to some of the US airlines comes in lower i.e., a return flight in J is similar'ish to these 1 way prices. Interesting!

 

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So some interesting results:

1. Using the standard search is pretty much useless, as was alluded to above
2. Only way I can get it to show 'classic' reward flights (including on partner airlines) is to use multi-city
3. Doha doesn't seem to be an option that you can select, so that makes things slightly more challenging for forcing via DOH

 

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So some interesting results:

1. Using the standard search is pretty much useless, as was alluded to above
2. Only way I can get it to show 'classic' reward flights (including on partner airlines) is to use multi-city
3. Doha doesn't seem to be an option that you can select, so that makes things slightly more challenging for forcing via DOH

You can search Oz-DOH return to see what’s out there. But there’s a whole other bun fight going on with QR availability on QFF (now that VA also can earn/burn).

I didn’t look that hard but I didn’t notice anything on EK - again, something else going on there (been reported that there’s a lack of EK redemptions and the few there have the excessive carrier charges EK (not QF) are imposing….

If you’re looking way out, CX from memory come online the earliest. If youre considering anything this side or during next Euro summer take what you can (and probably limited to whY).