So... what car do you guys drive when not flying?

[Quickstatus]

no one can guarantee that the EV do what you want it to do.

You have not mentioned actual distance you need.

If you have range anxiety then suggest not getting an EV.
However most new EV has faster charging that allow a quick top up to complete journey.

 

[Dr Bob]

no one can guarantee that the EV do what you want it to do.

You have not mentioned actual distance you need.

If you have range anxiety then suggest not getting an EV.
However most new EV has faster charging that allow a quick top up to complete journey.

Sorry, actual distance required would be a tad under 400k. I could cop having top up breaks going to Sydney (that's only once a year) and on road trips, But to Melbourne at least once a month that's only 3.5hrs away and I wouldn't want to increase it by half an hour. So there's no range anxiety just the need for a suitable range under normal driving conditions.

 

[Quickstatus]

So there's no range anxiety just the need for a suitable range under normal driving conditions.

I think what you are asking is not what most people would do - drive for at least 3.5 hrs hour without stopping for a break even 30 min.

You might have to search forums on the actual real world range on the various EV. The ones I've seen seem to suggest that 400km may be the limit depending on driving style, battery charge, speed, cabin heater.

Range anxiety occurs typically when the remaining battery range starts getting low.
My definition of range anxiety is the anxiety while driving, that the EV won't make the distance you would like to travel in one session. The closer the available battery range is to zero the greater the anxiety. Do you really want to finish the journey with 10km or 100km in the battery?.

Correctly, no EV dealer will say you can do the distance you specified without recharging.

 

[tgh]

There is an NRMA charger in Armidale, never saw an EV use it and most days other cars were parked in the space anyway.
Rydges now have a Tesla charging station.
Last week my dirty old diesel went to Armidale and back, filled it up again a few days after coming home .. 82l..not bad , plus no range anxiety to be seen.
Absolutely massive social upheaval coming over the EV greenolution...

 

[JohnM]

EV comparisons, has anyone done so recently. I'm starting to think about changing our 10yo BMW M1 for an EV.
The requirement to start looking at one is the actual range. I need to be able to jump on the freeway set the speed control for 115 and arrive in Melbourne in about 3.5hrs. I know of a few locals that have older Teslas and they can't do it without toping-up at Seymour or further in, unless, they drive at a sedately 80 to 90 kph. My interest was sparked by a Genesis 60 that I looked at in Melbourne recently (has a lot of bells & whistles) with an advertised range of 450 ks but the agent wouldn't say that I would get to Melbourne on my terms.
Any suggestions or pit falls would be appreciated.

The January issue of Wheels magazine has an evaluation of almost every EV currently sold in Australia.

 

[TheRealTMA]

The January issue of Wheels magazine has an evaluation of almost every EV currently sold in Australia.

When u buy, Bro?

 

[The black sheep]

I hate electric vehicles, or at least the product that is currently available. In Australia they are expensive, and have a carbon-footprint in production that beggars belief. Rich people drive them to be cool, poor people aspire to them as climate-change changers, but they are simply obscene.

 

[Quickstatus]

hate electric vehicles

When the fleet managers start buying EV, I'll know then they are value for money.

 

[BAM1748]

Reading the EV posts, I'll save the planet by not buying a an EV but will look for a 1980's diesel Benz I think. Better for the planet to keep using a vehicle already built than than a car sitting on a bed of lithium which will be thrown away in under 10 years.

Don't get me wrong, if I lived in Sydney and spent 99% of my driving in a city then EV might be smart but I'm still going to need to throw away the batteries and replace them way sooner than an infernal combustion engine.

 

[Quickstatus]

keep using a vehicle already built

Those older Landcruiser are excellent.
I missed out on a $10k 100 series LC 700,000 km (country km) original engine.

I also have 2 cars one 260000 and another 210000km

 

[JohnM]

When u buy, Bro?

I subscribe. It magically appears in my letterbox each month.

 

[Dr Bob]

I think what you are asking is not what most people would do - drive for at least 3.5 hrs hour without stopping for a break even 30 min.

You might have to search forums on the actual real world range on the various EV. The ones I've seen seem to suggest that 400km may be the limit depending on driving style, battery charge, speed, cabin heater.

Range anxiety occurs typically when the remaining battery range starts getting low.
My definition of range anxiety is the anxiety while driving, that the EV won't make the distance you would like to travel in one session. The closer the available battery range is to zero the greater the anxiety. Do you really want to finish the journey with 10km or 100km in the battery?.

Correctly, no EV dealer will say you can do the distance you specified without recharging.

Thanks Quickstatus, Yes I'm obviously asking the wrong question. Back in the 60s it was miles per gallon then litres per 100k both city and country cycle under normal driving conditions so with tank capacity you had an idea of range. So I should ask for Kws per 100k in city & country cycle. Should have thought that one through.
I've never purchased a vehicle that can't get me at least 600+k down the road so still a little resistant to an EV hence my concern about "range".
Now my only anxiety is can I make it to the next toilet break.

 

[Dr Bob]

Thanks JohnM I'll pick one up tomorrow.

 

[33kft]

In Australia they are expensive, and have a carbon-footprint in production that beggars belief. Rich people drive them to be cool, poor people aspire to them as climate-change changers, but they are simply obscene.

No, what people do to "be cool" is repeat memes that offer convenient excuses for why changing nothing is the correct choice, because of course they were right all along.

Electric Vehicle Myths | US EPA

Facts and myths about electric vehicles.

www.epa.gov

Electric car emissions myth 'busted'

Fears that electric cars could actually increase carbon emissions are a baseless, a study suggests.

www.bbc.com

One of the biggest myths about EVs is busted in new study

New report calls for a global phaseout of gas-guzzling cars.

www.theverge.com

Are electric vehicles definitely better for the climate than gas-powered cars?

Yes: although electric cars' batteries make them more carbon-intensive to manufacture than gas cars, they more than make up for it by driving much cleaner under nearly any conditions.

climate.mit.edu

https://search.informit.org/doi/abs/10.3316/informit.578063632750714

If you're convinced of the boomer view that EVs are worse for the environment, their batteries need replacing regularly and that they're just city cars which can't do any great distance, you are just showing your ignorance. There's noone in here who actually owns or drives an EV participating in the current discussion, yet you have people responding to @Quickstatus (who started a whole thread trying to debate me on why EVs are terrible, I'd go find a link but I couldn't be bothered) in this thread, being treated as the pro-EV protagonist. It's live action role playing at its finest.

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. You can absolutely cover 400-odd kms in EVs available today. The base model Model 3 (Standard Range, now called RWD) can do around 400km, the long range can do 550km to a charge. The BMW i4 can do 550km. The Hyundai Kona can do 450km even. You absolutely do not need to charge for 30 minutes on a fast charger in this scenaro, because you aren't going double the car's range (you'd have charged right back up again by then, 30 mins is a LONG time to sit at a DC fast charger). You would sit there for exactly how long it took to make the remaining distance. At a 250kW DC Charger, you'd get 120km range sitting at a DC charger for 5 mins, and 250kW isnt even the fastest DC charger in the market. It's all ignorance.

 

[The black sheep]

No, what people do to "be cool" is repeat memes that offer convenient excuses for why changing nothing is the correct choice, because of course they were right all along.

Electric Vehicle Myths | US EPA

Facts and myths about electric vehicles.

www.epa.gov

Electric car emissions myth 'busted'

Fears that electric cars could actually increase carbon emissions are a baseless, a study suggests.

www.bbc.com

One of the biggest myths about EVs is busted in new study

New report calls for a global phaseout of gas-guzzling cars.

www.theverge.com

Are electric vehicles definitely better for the climate than gas-powered cars?

Yes: although electric cars' batteries make them more carbon-intensive to manufacture than gas cars, they more than make up for it by driving much cleaner under nearly any conditions.

climate.mit.edu

https://search.informit.org/doi/abs/10.3316/informit.578063632750714

If you're convinced of the boomer view that EVs are worse for the environment, their batteries need replacing regularly and that they're just city cars which can't do any great distance, you are just showing your ignorance. There's noone in here who actually owns or drives an EV participating in the current discussion, yet you have people responding to @Quickstatus (who started a whole thread trying to debate me on why EVs are terrible, I'd go find a link but I couldn't be bothered) in this thread, being treated as the pro-EV protagonist. It's live action role playing at its finest.

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. You can absolutely cover 400-odd kms in EVs available today. The base model Model 3 (Standard Range, now called RWD) can do around 400km, the long range can do 550km to a charge. The BMW i4 can do 550km. The Hyundai Kona can do 450km even. You absolutely do not need to charge for 30 minutes on a fast charger in this scenaro, because you aren't going double the car's range (you'd have charged right back up again by then, 30 mins is a LONG time to sit at a DC fast charger). You would sit there for exactly how long it took to make the remaining distance. At a 250kW DC Charger, you'd get 120km range sitting at a DC charger for 5 mins, and 250kW isnt even the fastest DC charger in the market. It's all ignorance.

Hey there 33kft, I am not one to indulge in endless quotings of whatever sites suit a need. Any person these days can submit a thousand websites supporting their angle. It is tedious.

I get some of your views. But these do not address underlying and important issues. Adopters of Teslars, etc, seem to rely on the fact that their vehicles run on electricity. They dismiss or hide the fact that to construct said vehicle relies on many many huge scale mines. And that the electricity they need, is almost always still from coal, etc. My car may run on petrol, but the truth is yours runs on coal. With the losses than result from converting the coal-powered generation stations to your electricity.

 

[The black sheep]

33kft, rather than indulge in online armchair warrior things, if you are seriously passionate about the debate, send me a PM. Am happy to debate these things with you outside of AFF. One of my roles/work is to work exactly in this specific debate for a major Australian university. I would thus welcome your angle/views. Our angle is to truly measure the environmental cost of EV things, from production, to use, to disposal. I would thus welcome your views as a consumer.

 

[pauly7]

Has anyone test driven the Polestar?

We have had free chargers installed at our work and 3 people have bought EV’s (2 Tesla & 1 Ioniq) in the last 4 months.

 

[TomVexille]

Has anyone test driven the Polestar?

We have had free chargers installed at our work and 3 people have bought EV’s (2 Tesla & 1 Ioniq) in the last 4 months.

No, but I have noticed that Hertz have started adding them to their fleet.

 

[BAM1748]

No, what people do to "be cool" is repeat memes that offer convenient excuses for why changing nothing is the correct choice, because of course they were right all along.



If you're convinced of the boomer view that EVs are worse for the environment, their batteries need replacing regularly and that they're just city cars which can't do any great distance, you are just showing your ignorance. There's noone in here who actually owns or drives an EV participating in the current discussion, yet you have people responding to @Quickstatus (who started a whole thread trying to debate me on why EVs are terrible, I'd go find a link but I couldn't be bothered) in this thread, being treated as the pro-EV protagonist. It's live action role playing at its finest.

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. You can absolutely cover 400-odd kms in EVs available today. The base model Model 3 (Standard Range, now called RWD) can do around 400km, the long range can do 550km to a charge. The BMW i4 can do 550km. The Hyundai Kona can do 450km even. You absolutely do not need to charge for 30 minutes on a fast charger in this scenaro, because you aren't going double the car's range (you'd have charged right back up again by then, 30 mins is a LONG time to sit at a DC fast charger). You would sit there for exactly how long it took to make the remaining distance. At a 250kW DC Charger, you'd get 120km range sitting at a DC charger for 5 mins, and 250kW isnt even the fastest DC charger in the market. It's all ignorance.

Based on the numbers provided above, that doesn't suit my driving to Broken Hill from Goulburn.

I'm sure it suits you, but doesn't suit me until they can cover 1000km into the interior on a charge and then a quick charge to keep going into the night.

Horses for courses. EVs suit some but not others.

 

[tgh]

My car may run on petrol, but the truth is yours runs on coal

Bravo Black Sheep one of the best one line summaries of the issue I have seen.
Coal miners are stocking up the bubbly as the EV greenonlution warrants many many more decades of maximised coal production.
Coal fire power stations that can barely meet current demands will be upgrading to meet the demands of the cute new green cars. (+trucks and planes)
National electrical infrastructure will be forced to undertake grid upgrades (= ++ $ copper shares) that will make the cost of the NBN look like peanuts.
Governments, faced with the double whammy of reducing tax take from petroleum and the cost of infrastructure upgrading will have to raise direct taxation substantially.
Hundreds of thousands of ordinary folks, forced into an ev will simply be unable to charge it as the capacity cannot be built quickly.
Pending : One of the biggest Government directed disasters of my lifetime.