Sick of Recliners?

[acampbel]

An investment banker in Y...:shock: What a thought!

Actually it's a sort of world-wide* rhyming slang for w.a.n.k.e.r, but unless you are in fact a septic I can't believe you didn't know that.


Cheers,

Andrew

*Any reference to "world-wide" should be taken to mean "everywhere outside of North America".

 

[streety]

Although I can see (some) merit in most peoples argument here, I have to side with the recliners. The feature is there on the seat and if someone wants to use it they have every right. I'd like to point out at this stage that I do however find reclining at meal times HIGHLY annoying.

If you don't like the fact that the passenger in front of you can recline then don't fly economy, if thats not an option then put up and shut up- or drive.... You get what you pay for people and the facts of the matter are that if you are in economy then you don't get much and you knew that before you booked your ticket.

As for preffered seating and exit rows I have absolutely no problem with loyal customers and full fare paying passengers being able to select their preffered seating. As if we should all be treated equally when some of us have paid twice as much as others have!!!

This thread is starting to get pretty petty really, if not still quite amusing

Streety

 

[NYCguy]

Corporate banker.... W*nker...

Oh, I see... Rhyming slang. How delightfully Adelaide-in-the-1950's...

I'm not a Septic, but obviously I have lived with them for long enough that I no longer appreciate the finer points of the Aussie idiom.

 

[rhjames]

Streety - I'm with you on all that. If man (or woman) wasn't meant to fly, we wouldn't have been given aircraft (or the skill to make them). If man (or woman) wasn't meant to recline, we wouldn't have been given recliner buttons.

 

[streety]

Streety - I'm with you on all that. If man (or woman) wasn't meant to fly, we wouldn't have been given aircraft (or the skill to make them). If man (or woman) wasn't meant to recline, we wouldn't have been given recliner buttons.

Amen. Seriously.

 

[Yada Yada]

Amen. Seriously.

Yeah, nice sermon.

 

[kpc]

I have a simple rule of thumb...I raise my seat during meal time; at other times, if I want to relax / snooze etc, I recline. If the person in front of me is fully reclined, I also have to recline to give myself more space....sort of a domino effect really:mrgreen:

 

[littl_flier]

I have a simple rule of thumb...I raise my seat during meal time; at other times, if I want to relax / snooze etc, I recline. If the person in front of me is fully reclined, I also have to recline to give myself more space....sort of a domino effect really

Agreed. So I guess it starts with all those WP's in the Exit Rows. :mrgreen:

Like others, I recline in non-meal times on long haul flights. It's very rare for me to recline on short haul but I don't reall mind if someone else does.

 

[rhjames]

It sounds to me like we considerate recliners are on a winning streak here.

 

[Evan]

I would imagine if there was airlines that said, he we sell all economy seats you cant recline for long haul then there would be not a lot of people flying with them, Short haul sure its more or less who cares.

I guess we just have to wait and see which airline does it first in long haul, i am sure there is already airlines that dont have reclinable seats in there domestic fleets.

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[JohnK]

Agreed. So I guess it starts with all those WP's in the Exit Rows. :mrgreen:

Not quite as I am one of those QF Platinums that do not recline. So if I have an exit row then there is no reason for anyone behind me to recline.

By the way I have only ever reclined when the person in front has reclined for the duration of the flight. It has happened a few times where the person would not even wake up for the meals, and FAs would not wake them, and I had to to have the meal in a position a contortionist would find strange. So this theory about not reclining during meal times means nothing to me.

I would imagine if there was airlines that said, he we sell all economy seats you cant recline for long haul then there would be not a lot of people flying with them, Short haul sure its more or less who cares.

Ryanair is very successful, with non reclining seats, but I guess we would not class their services long haul.

The solution is very simple if some passengers want the recline feature. Reserve the last few rows of economy for recliners. Problem solved....

 

[Commuter]

You're going to start giving LCCs some ideas.

1. Extra money for seat that recline

2. Extra money to be seated behind a non-reclining seat


There you go!

 

[Petch]

Extra money to be seated behind a non-reclining seat

ROFL, First Exit Row on Tiger can't recline. However, I had purchased the 2nd exit row; so, reclined, and watched as the people in front kept pressing their buttons, but went nowhere!

I am certainly prepared to pay (a little) extra for seats that I like (be it cash or loyalty). So on Qantas Group, I have certain seating expectations... That means Jetstar too, where, as of late last year, Qantas Club check-in (consistently) stopped accepting my request for B or E seat soft-blocking, saying "sorry, Jetstar is a different airline we can't do that". Late last year, also happens to be the first time that I ever flew Virgin Blue!

I think the airlines are missing huge opportunities to up-sell, cross-sell and add-on, because they aren’t making full use of technology to increase sales opportunities.* However, they need to be careful. I do not appreciate paying extra($ or loyalty) for a seat, only to have a FA upgrade someone to my bulkhead or exit row onboard for free. This is most likely to happen when encountering 20th century legacy carrier staff. I am convinced on a Tiger flight, there was an ex-Ansett one, who considered it was a great customer service to move people who hadn’t paid for an exit row, into the seats next to me.

NO, NO, NO… want me to pay more, then restrain you cabin staff airlines!

*Globally airlines seem to think re-inventing the wheel, recently, is a "new trend" ...ever wonder why, after seeing a retail advert for something that you want/need at a great price in the paper/etc, that after visiting said shop, you end up walking out paying substantially more and very satisfied with the next model up & additions! Real merchants (in non protected/government controlled markets) have been doing this for millennia!

 

[JohnK]

You're going to start giving LCCs some ideas.

Not sure they would be listening to my rants.

2. Extra money to be seated behind a non-reclining seat

I would definitely pay more money to sit in a seat where the seat in front does not recline. How much money? That is something I have not thought about yet....

 

[rhjames]

Not quite as I am one of those QF Platinums that do not recline. So if I have an exit row then there is no reason for anyone behind me to recline.

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So are you saying you'll sit in a plane for 9 - 12 hours and never recline? I find it hard to believe.

 

[JohnK]

So are you saying you'll sit in a plane for 9 - 12 hours and never recline? I find it hard to believe.

Absolutely. On my latest RTW back in August/September I had exit row for SYD-LAX, ORD-LHR, LHR-HKG and HKG-SYD. I did not recline once, not even for one minute and I was able to sleep.

 

[rhjames]

Absolutely. On my latest RTW back in August/September I had exit row for SYD-LAX, ORD-LHR, LHR-HKG and HKG-SYD. I did not recline once, not even for one minute and I was able to sleep.

Amazing - What class? I'd be interested if anyone else would do this, particularly on long haul.

 

[JohnK]

Amazing - What class? I'd be interested if anyone else would do this, particularly on long haul.

All in economy. If I need to sleep I will sleep and as I mentioned earlier the extra 4-6 inches recline makes absolutely no difference. I do not purchase an airline seat for the comfort or for the food. I purchase it to get from A-B or in my case from A-B-C-D-E. Plenty of time to sleep on a comfortable hotel bed and eat food in a reasonable restaurant or street stall in Thailand.

But I try to be considerate to my fellow passengers always, and not just in reclining, and I expect the same in return but do not always get it. I am an above average sized person, overweight but not extremely obese, and where possible I will lean on the aisle side armrest to ensure that the person next to me does not feel inconvenienced in any way. And no I do not ooze into the next seat especially in an exit row or bulkhead with the fixed armrests....

 

[Commuter]

Not sure they would be listening to my rants.

You never know where they get some of the ideas!




[While we are talking about 'ancillary revenues', a lot of European LCCs are now charging for any checked-in luggage. I wonder if JQ and Tiger will start that.]

 

[rhjames]

Plenty of time to sleep on a comfortable hotel bed and eat food in a reasonable restaurant or street stall in Thailand.
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There's a difference - I'll fly Sydney to Europe, arrive midday, and go straight to a meeting for the afternoon. I need to have slept well. I doubt I could do that after 24h in economy upright. Next month I fly to Santiago, and go straight to a meeting on arrival at 1pm. I rely on plenty of sleep and rest on the plane. Of course, I'm not flying economy when I do this.

Anyway, when the airline supplies me with a recliner button, I believe I have a right to use it, with proper consideration at meal times. If someone in front of me wants to recline, I regard it as their right - it's of no significance to me. I see that as economy travel, and if I don't like it, I pay for a better class.