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Am watching it live on CNN. looks like the shooter has been caught.

Whilst I haven't been there it is too close in many ways.
 
I think I read some news article on stuff.co.nz about some US family trying to sue apple for a guy playing on his cell phone who drove into someone else and killed them so they're sueing apple because apparently they have the technology to lock the phone when someone is driving or something to that effect. Never mind the fact the guy CHOSE to be on his phone while driving and I thought - they're sueing apple over that cough when they've got all these stupid idiots running around with guns?!?! And of course if you talk to the pro gun Americans they're like "it's my right" blah blah..... there is just no helping some people!:evil:
 
NZflygirl said:
I think I read some news article on stuff.co.nz about some US family trying to sue apple for a guy playing on his cell phone who drove into someone else and killed them so they're sueing apple because apparently they have the technology to lock the phone when someone is driving or something to that effect. Never mind the fact the guy CHOSE to be on his phone while driving and I thought - they're sueing apple over that cough when they've got all these stupid idiots running around with guns?!?! And of course if you talk to the pro gun Americans they're like "it's my right" blah blah..... there is just no helping some people!:evil:
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In the USA you can sue for all most anything especially manufacturers but there is a law prohibiting people from suing manufacturers of guns. The right to have a gun is almost absolute in the USA. There are a few places you can't carry a gun ie a plane or class room (but allowed in some states at Uni) but they are becoming fewer in number. It's very hard to stop anyone buying guns even if on terrorist watch lists since they don't even check backgrounds at gun shows.
 
coyote25 said:
In the USA you can sue for all most anything especially manufacturers but there is a law prohibiting people from suing manufacturers of guns. The right to have a gun is almost absolute in the USA. There are a few places you can't carry a gun ie a plane or class room (but allowed in some states at Uni) but they are becoming fewer in number. It's very hard to stop anyone buying guns even if on terrorist watch lists since they don't even check backgrounds at gun shows.
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Yeah I'm aware of the mentality, I went to uni there for 4yrs and it was an eye opener. The friends I made weren't into that stuff but I remember a conversation with one of their friends about guns and I was like "why do you need to take a gun to class? Like WHO do you think is going to be out to shoot or kill you?? And it wasn't that he'd been threatened - just that it was his right! And I'm thinking - for crying out loud it's a blimn classroom....he'd be more at risk of an accidental discharge than ever needing to use it. I think it's very sad it has filtered into their culture the way it has and they're too stupid to change it choosing peoples "rights" over peoples lives and then they'll bicker over the minor cough in court to get rich.

OK no more ranting please don't reply. I need to settle:p
 
Maybe he got annoyed at everyone crowding into the baggage belt with their trolleys so he had to wait too long feeling vulnerable and paranoid before he could collect his gun he had in checked luggage?
 
coyote25 said:
The right to have a gun is almost absolute in the USA.
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It is not almost absolute, it is absolute - guaranteed by the constitution. (The second amendment to which reads, "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.") To understand the USA, you must understand their history: As a nation, they've had to gun fight for everything they have, started in the old west, but most notably for Independence and Civil Rights. So the gun has become, and will likely always be, an extension of who they are. (But conversely in Australia, the gun helps us define who we are not!)
 
As we've seen, the lack of guns does not make you much safer. A large truck would be devastating at most airports (amongst many other places), and that technique seems to be gathering favour. I expect we're unlikely to ban trucks.
 
jb747 said:
As we've seen, the lack of guns does not make you much safer. A large truck would be devastating at most airports (amongst many other places), and that technique seems to be gathering favour. I expect we're unlikely to ban trucks.
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Jb747 you are right we won't ban trucks as their primary use isn't to kill or cause injury.

But the point that there is always a risk is well made it's just how much a risk exists and you are willing to accept.
 
dk4 said:
It is not almost absolute, it is absolute - guaranteed by the constitution. [/I]
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I was referring to the fact there are still some limits, for example you can't bring a loaded weapon onto a plane, well not yet anyway.

The Supreme Court of the US has allowed some limits, council can and do ban guns from court rooms and some felons, if the purchase is subject to background checks, can be denied.

USA history is built on firearms, from the colony days on the frontier to the revolution and later the civil war. It's ingrained and it's no going to change ever, not due to the second amendment (Constitutions can be changed) but because it is in the culture so no laws or constitutional change will occur. It's just a matter of whether the last remaining limits to carry loaded weapons in secure areas will continue to be reduced.

Second amendment;
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
 
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coyote25 said:
In the USA you can sue for all most anything especially manufacturers but there is a law prohibiting people from suing manufacturers of guns. The right to have a gun is almost absolute in the USA. There are a few places you can't carry a gun ie a plane or class room (but allowed in some states at Uni) but they are becoming fewer in number. It's very hard to stop anyone buying guns even if on terrorist watch lists since they don't even check backgrounds at gun shows.
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The law you speak of only prevents suing manufacturers over criminal misuse of guns. That is a sensible restriction.....unless you want to see ALL manufacturers held liable for MISUSE of their products, which would only be fair if gun makers are to be held accountable that way........If you buy a gun which is faulty you can sue as for any other product.....

There are many places carry is not legal... ALL federal buildings etc for a start..or any building with the correctly posted No guns signs..... but those states with the most liberal carry laws are also those with the lowest firearm crime rates. States like Illinois... and its oh so violent city Chicago..with very tough laws by US standards, see far more gun crime.... The US has a violence problem... not a gun problem.... look at the rates of non gun homicide as well! God knows what the answer to that is.... but more laws.. which by definition only affect the law abiding...hardly seem a brilliant response.

The vast majority of sellers at gun shows are licensed dealers..who DO have access to the NICS system and ARE required to use it.... Yes,,it is possible for private citizens at gun shows to sell to other private citizens without that step..(and they can do that in the parking lot...or at home, which is hardly surprising since a very large percentage of such transfers are between family members or friends).. and that may well need attention... but to claim gun show sales universally are check free is simply wrong.
 
coyote25 said:
Second amendment;
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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Nothing well regulated about the current arrangement
 
Despite the rhetoric I'd suggest the evidence is that at a population level, more guns = more deaths from guns. For some examples see

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17070975
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3828709/

I'd be happy to hear alternative cases on why the per capita rate of deaths from gun violence in the US is similar to that of Mexico and 5 times the Canadian rate.

In 2013 the overall rate of intentional homicide in the US was higher than Canada or Australia. As with all stats there is always a but though. The % of the those homicides by gun was 19% for Canada, 17% for Australia and 33% for the US (2014).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rateme

The reports I have read indicate this was criminal activity related to possible mental illness.

as an aside there is an interesting article on the nz herald website quoting an NZ pilot working for Spirit airlines on the security ramifications of the terminal evacuations on operational security.

NZ pilot in Fort Lauderdale: Airport security the 'biggest problem - National - NZ Herald News
 
At our local dine in cinema in Marina del Rey, California there is a sign requesting that you don't bring your guns. They want you to leave them outside.
 
cove said:
At our local dine in cinema in Marina del Rey, California there is a sign requesting that you don't bring your guns. They want you to leave them outside.
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Hopefully not on an unsecured gun rack :)
 
In 2008 is was passed that a person could in fact hold a gun for self defence thus circumventing the Militia wording in the original 2 nd amendment
 
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