Seat squatting in Exit Row Seats on International Flights | Australian Frequent Flyer
Australian Frequent Flyer

Welcome to Australia's leading independent Frequent Flyer and Travel Resource since 1998!
Our site contains tons of information that will improve your travel experience.

Joining AFF is fast, simple & absolutely free - register now and take immediate advantage of these great BENEFITS.

Once registered, this box will disappear. And you will see fewer advertisements :)

Seat squatting in Exit Row Seats on International Flights

Status
Not open for further replies.

will2rob

Member
Joined
Jul 23, 2012
Messages
298
Flights
My Map
Coming back from Singapore with my family in Y yesterday, I made the mistake of shelling out my $90 for the privilege of selecting an exit row seat. Silly me. No sooner had the seat belt light gone off and it was a free for all for the quickest to jump from a standard Y seat into a spare exit row seat for nix in the centre exit seats.

Maybe I'm being a bit petty, I don't care if people swap jump into vacant seats within their cabin as a general proposition, but I felt this was a bit different. These are premium seats that QF charges extra for. However, the cabin crew didn't seem to care and the squatters remained there for entire flight. Is this normal? I haven't travelled in Y for international for quite some time so don't know if this is the norm or not.
 

Grooba

Established Member
Joined
Mar 4, 2008
Messages
1,346
I'd have to agree, this is normal practice. In fact some will move seats just as the front door is closed (or even earlier if possible) to claim a better row.

Personally I'm not one to jump into an exit row as the immovable arm rests are not my cup of tea on medium/long haul flights.
 

markis10

Veteran Member
Joined
Nov 25, 2004
Messages
30,091
Moving after takeoff is quite normal. As for them being premium seats, you pay a premium for guaranteeing one, just like most customers have to pay to pick any seat before departure if no status is held.
 

im.daniel

Member
Joined
Mar 3, 2010
Messages
290
Was on QF 51 the other day in 44A (44B and C occupied) - and the FA suggested/insisted that I moved to 46A (exit row); with 46C taken and 46B spare. I felt a bad for the guy in 46C, but he seemed cool with it and was quite welcoming.
 

Pushka

AFF Supporter
Joined
Jan 26, 2011
Messages
15,122
Flights
My Map
I guess you pay for the certainty of knowing you have an exit row rather than fight the masses for any spare ones. Random luck.
 

legroom

Established Member
Joined
Nov 2, 2012
Messages
2,917
I guess you pay for the certainty of knowing you have an exit row rather than fight the masses for any spare ones. Random luck.
Same principle applies with the $13K F ticket (vs a points upgrade).

The latter is pure luck and you may get to stay where you paid i.e. J.
 

serfty

Moderator
Joined
Nov 16, 2004
Messages
40,421
Flights
My Map
It when the B (or J) seat is empty and a random jumps in the middle in such a manner that one can get annoyed. I tend to put some stuff down in an empty adjacent seat to 'mark territory' - it tebds to work surprisingly well.
 

Pushka

AFF Supporter
Joined
Jan 26, 2011
Messages
15,122
Flights
My Map
It when the B (or J) seat is empty and a random jumps in the middle in such a manner that one can get annoyed. I tend to put some stuff down in an empty adjacent seat to 'mark territory' - it tebds to work surprisingly well.
Guess we are lucky that dogs don't fly then. ;)
 

Austman

AFF Supporter
Joined
Sep 21, 2007
Messages
3,275
I've been on airlines (not QF) where the cabin crew ask passengers to return to their original seats, even after take-off, explaining to the passengers that they are premium seats that required extra payment.
 

RooFlyer

AFF Supporter
Joined
Nov 12, 2012
Messages
13,239
Flights
My Map
I think in the OP's situation the FAs should monitor and if practicable, prevent the seat-swapping-into-exit-row-seats.

1) Exit rows are a (slightly) premium product attracting a higher price on nearly every airline these days, so its a similar situation to the fact that you can't seat-swap Y for PE nor Y or PE for J; AND

2) In theory, at an exit row seat you have to pass the FA's pre-take-off "Are you willing and able to undertake those (emergency situation) duties?" test. I think you actually have to positively reply with the answer "Yes" to that question. Seat jumpers obviously haven't. If the answer to the pre-flight question isn't important, why ask it?
 

kelvedon

AFF Supporter
Joined
Jan 23, 2012
Messages
1,016
Flights
My Map
Do seat squatting rights trump Platinum shadow etiquette, and if so do FA's act?
 

RooFlyer

AFF Supporter
Joined
Nov 12, 2012
Messages
13,239
Flights
My Map
Moving after takeoff is quite normal. As for them being premium seats, you pay a premium for guaranteeing one, just like most customers have to pay to pick any seat before departure if no status is held.
Isn't that like saying you are paying J fare for the 'guarantee' of a J seat? The payment for exit row seats is for the added amenity & comfort of more leg room. Saying the airlines charge merely to 'guarantee' you an exit row seats means that airlines endorse anything-goes seat swapping after take-off. Whilst mostly they don't have an issue with it, I believe its always at the FA's discretion, so its not (or shouldn't be) 'move at will and if you bag an exit row seat good on you'.
 

markis10

Veteran Member
Joined
Nov 25, 2004
Messages
30,091
Isn't that like saying you are paying J fare for the 'guarantee' of a J seat?
No, not like at all, advance seat selection fees are simply selection fees that give you priority access to a seat versus running the gambit of the post takeoff scrum. And yes they often endorse the scrum, mentioning you are free to move seats after the seat belt sign is off on many of the flights.
 

rioter

Member
Joined
Nov 17, 2013
Messages
231
I was on a VA flight in a exit row where the flight attendants belted up the middle seats and added a sign.
I asked to move seats later in the flight as i kept getting kicked by people waiting around the toilets. They said as i had paid for the exit row i could sit in the bank across from me they just kept it like that to avoid the situation described. Undid the seatbelt and moved it across to the one i just vacated. Was good customer service.
 

QF2220

Junior Member
Joined
Aug 12, 2012
Messages
25
I had an experience once which i think may have been a one off but should be made part of the FA boarding process. I was unsuccessful in getting a points updgrade from Y to J and was unfortunately in the middle rows. Im nothing special, just Gold, but the FA came around and asked for me and said that there was an exit row seat available, would i like it. I jumped at the chance. Another guy who I saw in the lounge took the other seat in the row of 3 (leaving us with the spare middle seat). This was a nice little consolation prize for me given the inability to score the points upgrade.
 

VHOEJ

Active Member
Joined
Oct 30, 2010
Messages
569
I've been on airlines (not QF) where the cabin crew ask passengers to return to their original seats, even after take-off, explaining to the passengers that they are premium seats that required extra payment.
That should happen more often.

But yes, the only way to stop it is to put your items on at least one seat (e.g a jacket), then they won't do it.
 

robw0910

Intern
Joined
May 2, 2013
Messages
54
On a BA LHR-HAM flight a few years back the FA asked myself and another passenger if we wouldn't mind sitting in an exit row seat for take-off/landing. For some reason nobody had been allocated one and it was a requirement.
 

amaroo

AFF Supporter
Joined
Sep 22, 2011
Messages
10,938
Flights
My Map
On a BA LHR-HAM flight a few years back the FA asked myself and another passenger if we wouldn't mind sitting in an exit row seat for take-off/landing. For some reason nobody had been allocated one and it was a requirement.
I've seen this many times on J* They appear to like at least two passengers in the exit row.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

AFF on Air Podcast

  • jb747’s Stellar Career with Qantas – AIR013
    Sat, 15 Jun 2019 03:00:41 AEST
      In this special edition of the podcast, Matt chats to John Bartels (a.k.a. jb747) about his flying career with Qantas, the A380, the QF30 incident, flight training, retirem ...
  • Cheap Virgin Australia Business Class – AIR012
    Sat, 01 Jun 2019 03:05:28 AEST
      Find out how to get cut-price Virgin Australia Business Class tickets by buying and redeeming Etihad Guest miles! This episode also includes some listener Q&A and an interv ...
  • Star Alliance Status – AIR011
    Sat, 18 May 2019 09:39:41 AEST
      Find out how to easily earn Star Alliance Gold status with several different frequent flyer programs! This episode also includes an interview with John Blom, Australia’s ...
  • Premium Economy – AIR010
    Sat, 04 May 2019 00:21:32 AEST
      Premium Economy is a great compromise if you want a more comfortable experience than Economy, without paying for Business or First class airfares! In this episode, AFF’s ...
  • Hyperinflation of Points – AIR009
    Sat, 20 Apr 2019 04:49:59 AEST
      Frequent flyer points are a valuable currency, but they aren’t immune from hyperinflation! In this episode, Matt discusses why frequent flyer points are a terrible long-t ...

Community Statistics

Threads
81,624
Messages
1,885,295
Members
49,510
Latest member
kctt
Top