Scottish Independence Referendum 18th September.

[JohnM]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

So essentially - in stereotypical, broad-sweeping terms - the working class wanted to secede from the union whilst the upper classes wanted to remain in the union.

It could also be stereotypically said that there's an even deeper autocorrelation with income underlying it .

 

[Foreigner]

So the United Kingdom will remain united after all, but there'll be change of guard with First Minister Salmond's decision to resign.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Nicola Sturgeon is tipped to replace him. This may mean that all three political parties in Scotland are headed by women with the Labour Party led by Johann Lamont and the Conservatives by Ruth Davidson.

 

[Foreigner]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

Nice little graph showing disposable income and how people voted.

Glasgow and Edinburgh diagonally placed. Here's a take on both cities over eight criteria:

http://www.list.co.uk/article/24478-glasgow-vs-edinburgh-the-verdict/#comments

 

[cambriamarsh]

It was an absolute wipe-out! Only 4 councils out of 32 voted yes .... a thumping result in any language.

Only under multi seat first past the post. This is more like nz's mmp election

 

[whatmeworry]

If Scotland had a Facebook profile...

 

[whatmeworry]

Grounds Keeper Willie post referendum.

 

[NFF]

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May be there will be another vote.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

May be there will be another vote.

Hopefully not

 

[RooFlyer]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

May be there will be another vote.

Why on earth, why? Question asked, and answered - resoundingly!

If the 'yes' had won, would you still ask that question?

These noisy minorities are all the same - believe they are right, and the public is wrong.

 

[RooFlyer]

It was an absolute wipe-out! Only 4 councils out of 32 voted yes .... a thumping result in any language.

Only under multi seat first past the post. This is more like nz's mmp election

Yes, it was a wipe-out and a thumping result. The 28 'nos' cover North, South, East and West; the most urban, the most isolated, the largest cities, the most sparsely populated, the richest, (not quite) the poorest ... but many of the 'Nos' aren't too flash ...

Comprehensive, across the country.

Thank you linesmen, thank you ball boys, good night.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Why on earth, why? Question asked, and answered - resoundingly!

If the 'yes' had won, would you still ask that question?

These noisy minorities are all the same - believe they are right, and the public is wrong.

The hatred and division are continuing with great gusto on social media. A Facebook group called "We Are the 45%" has around 150K likes. There are several Change petitions asking for a recount and more conspiracy theories than "Who Shot JFK" regarding the result.
I wish I was joking but I'm not :!:
I'm actually ashamed and appalled at the behaviour of some from both sides post the referendum.
Hopefully calm heads will prevail in the coming weeks and heal some of the bitter divides that have arisen as a result.

 

[anat0l]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

I think the issue will not just go away, even after this defeat. Many petitions in the past which were basically against the status quo have never died, and naturally in countries like these (and Australia), people will take full advantage of their right to freedom of expression (as opposed to some other countries where even before such a vote, those who dissent as such will be suppressed or imprisoned).

Western Australian secession was sent to referendum twice - both defeated - and are still making the odd noise here and there about it now. Same state and daylight savings, and they even had a short term trial before another referendum. That has been sent to vote 3 times and all defeated - maybe not convincingly, but nonetheless. Imagine if Scotland were allowed a "trial period" of independence before a referendum to actually decide if they would permanently leave the UK or not.

In the end it is a natural consequence that most things against the status quo will always garner more attention and the right for 'review' more than the default condition, because the latter has had the advantage of experience and ease of implementation (i.e. do nothing). In practice, given a few more months or a year later, it will be interesting to hear anything about the Scottish independence movement, especially in guise of (if it happens) any other independence pushes, e.g. Catalonia.

 

[amaroo]

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[NFF]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

The government should offer yes voters something in order to heal the rift.

 

[RooFlyer]

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The government should offer yes voters something in order to heal the rift.

The bill for the costs of the referendum? That would heal the rift with the 'No' voters, who I reckon felt the whole thing a waste of money.

 

[anat0l]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

The bill for the costs of the referendum? That would heal the rift with the 'No' voters, who I reckon felt the whole thing a waste of money.

I assume that would be unconstitutional. You'd have a better chance simply throwing all of the proindependence voters into jail, although except for the obvious support leaders I assume it was a private ballot....

 

[Princess Fiona]

And just when you thought things couldn't get any crazier, Alex Salmond goes bonkers declaring in an interview that Scotland could just declare independence anyway
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...Alex-Salmond-says-No-voters-were-tricked.html

 

[amaroo]

Typical loser....

 

[RooFlyer]

And just when you thought things couldn't get any crazier, Alex Salmond goes bonkers declaring in an interview that Scotland could just declare independence anyway
Alex Salmond says No voters were 'tricked' - Telegraph

... along with Hutt River Province.