Scoot introduces new fare - seat bag eat and wait! (Passengers offloaded)

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Scoot appear to be operating on a 'shoestring" style of scheduling & budget - & the precedent has now been set in responding to delays due to apparent operational reasons. Not sure how the $50 compensation would be digested though :shock:
 
Facebook post from the CEO:

Hello Scoot Community.

As many of you would have known by now, one of our flights was disrupted over the weekend which caused consequential delays to a number of others. We appreciate all that has been shared and discussed on our Facebook pages over the past few days, and know that many of you were anxious and frustrated. I’ve been reviewing your comments and I thought that, in addition to extending my own apology, it might be useful to share a little more information about how we’ll improve communication, the compensation for delays and what actually transpired over the weekend. It’s a long post, but bear with me.

We realize that one of the main causes of frustration was the timeliness and frequency of information. We have, in fact, been working for a few months on a SMS alert system designed specifically to provide timely information when flights are disrupted due to weather or other events. This system is due for implementation in just a few weeks….or, as Murphy’s law would describe it, just a few weeks too late. Too late is, of course, too late, and we’re sorry.

We’re also aware that many of you had questions regarding compensation. In keeping with our Guest Promise, we’ll be issuing a SGD50 voucher to every passenger on the flights which were delayed beyond 4 hours. All passengers who were denied boarding were given tickets on the next available Scoot flight and offered a SGD200 Scoot travel voucher each, and those who chose to buy a new ticket on another airline can obtain a refund from us on the sector that was not flown, and claim against their travel insurance for the new ticket.

We'd also like to be transparent about the issues lead to the delays, lest it clarifies your queries. The whole saga arose just before our Singapore-Bangkok flight on Saturday (19 January), when engineers discovered a technical fault with one of the doors at the back of the aircraft during the pre-flight check. Whilst the aircraft was completely safe to operate, Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore rules required the seats in rows 57 – 65 to be empty.

As the flight was fully booked, emptying these seats necessitated the unfortunate step of seeking volunteers to take a later flight, in return for compensation. The need to ask passengers to travel on a later flight was entirely due to the need to vacate rows 57-65 for safety reasons, and was not due to overbooking of the flight.

Regrettably, we were unable to find the necessary number of volunteers, so advised the last passengers to check in that they would be transferred to the next flight and compensated. Despite the terms of carriage requiring compliance with safety related requests such as this, a few refused and physically prevented the flight from boarding. Various efforts of Scoot representatives and the Airport Police failed to resolve the matter and eventually, after a six hour delay, some other passengers agreed to travel at a later date and the aircraft departed for Bangkok.

Upon the aircraft’s return to Singapore the door fault was fixed within a few hours, but by then every flight to be operated by that aircraft was behind schedule - including the flight to Tianjin on Sunday (20 January), and, due to passengers connecting from Tainjin, to the Gold Coast later that day. After much effort, the schedule was restored on Monday evening, though some guests whose connections had been broken remained enroute home.

To cut a long story short, a small technical glitch and the actions of a small number of people had substantial consequences on the travel of many others. The irony is that had we proactively delayed the Bangkok flight by a few hours to fix the fault – guaranteeing disruption to nearly 800 people’s plans - the rest of our schedule would have been virtually unaffected.

I'd still like to remind, however, that we are a no-frills airline. We believe that most of you understand this travel model enough to know that the only way we can offer fares as low as we do is, in part, by not keeping the same large teams of airport or customer support staff as our much more expensive full-service brethren, and that some degree of self-reliance is a quid-pro-quo for a cheap, safe ticket. We have always tried to be as clear as possible in our terms and conditions of carriage, which must be acknowledged as read and accepted before a ticket can be issued, that we do not provide meals, drinks or accommodation in the event of disruption, and repeatedly state that travel insurance is highly recommended. Snow, fog, typhoons or the occasional technical glitch are just some of the issues that are a fact of life for any regular traveller, and although less than 1% of our flights have been affected by more than 15 minutes due to engineering reasons since our launch, unforeseen events do occur. We at Scoot are travellers too, and trust us, we dislike disruptions at least as much as you do. But they sometimes happen, and pretending that they don’t, or thinking that despite every statement to the contrary we were just joking in our recommendation to take travel insurance, won’t prevent them from happening.

We absolutely understand your frustration, but what’s done is done. There are things that we can learn from this, and I assure you that we will. But, more than anything, we will continue to focus on providing great value, safe and – as best we possibly can – fun and reliable travel. Thanks for taking time to read this and, whether you’ve commented for or against us, thanks for your passion.

Campbell Wilson
Chief Executive Officer
Scoot
 
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The main issue with Scoot is 4 aircraft now serving 7 routes - from SYD to TSN the scheduling is crammed with NO room for an aircraft going tech! Such is the life of a start up LCC!
 
I'm still curious. How did some passengers manage to cause a seven hour delay and ignore police and airline instructions? It doesn't make sense.
 
I'm still curious. How did some passengers manage to cause a seven hour delay and ignore police and airline instructions? It doesn't make sense.

Easy - you just do it. What are the police going to do, cane them? I don't know whether Singaporean police carry weapons, though even by the threat of caning I'm sure that some pax may have turned militant before they were forcibly removed, a la what happened to Jetstar staff in Beijing previously. Luckily it never got to any extent that hostages were taken, physical threats made or people (physically) hurt.

On top of that, if I heard one version of the story right, first Scoot offered next flight plus a standard compo, but when not enough people took it up, they had to up the ante gradually. Each time they keep waiting for enough people to take the compensation voluntarily before they have to up the amount or deny boarding involuntarily, they waste time, which was measured in hours.

I heard through the lines (possibly obfuscated or made up) that anything that happened to some of the passengers by the action of the Singaporean authorities could've had diplomatic consequences.
 
Easy - you just do it. What are the police going to do, cane them? I don't know whether Singaporean police carry weapons, though even by the threat of caning I'm sure that some pax may have turned militant before they were forcibly removed, a la what happened to Jetstar staff in Beijing previously. Luckily it never got to any extent that hostages were taken, physical threats made or people (physically) hurt.

In Victoria, they would have been shot or tasered. I really don't understand it (cultural sensitivities aside). If I was to act the same way at an airport, I would be arrested in due course. It doesn't take seven hours to resolve.
 
Lesson to Scoot: Don't break up large groups after they have checked-in. What on earth were you thinking? That this would all go smoothly?
 
In Victoria, they would have been shot or tasered. I really don't understand it (cultural sensitivities aside). If I was to act the same way at an airport, I would be arrested in due course. It doesn't take seven hours to resolve.

So we have a Singaporean authority who was obviously lacked empowerment and/or were too stupid to shoot or use a taser, let alone force a decision quicker that would lead to a quick arrest. Either that or the airport authority and/or Scoot were lackadaisical in actually summoning the authorities in order to prevent the delay from becoming as long as it were.


There's been videos of Singapore Airlines staff being accosted to hell in Singapore by SQ PPS members. I think even though they are fully within their rights to call on authority protection, SQ were very, very hesitant to get authorities involved.
 
There's been videos of Singapore Airlines staff being accosted to hell in Singapore by SQ PPS members. I think even though they are fully within their rights to call on authority protection, SQ were very, very hesitant to get authorities involved.

My gosh.. Is that for real? For what reason?.. My last SQ flight was 25 minutes delayed due to ATC & mentioning traffic.. SQ Captain was very polite & apologetic.. But on a LCC it could & often is the norm for 3-30 hours delay without any compensation.. (read the fine print)

So the answer for the Scoot pax is to well understand the comparative differences of a LCC when situations are modified, whether it be tech, weather or any other general operational constraints.

I have endured the delays, & subsequent inconveniences of flying with LCC's, & often have had to buy additional tickets on other carriers to reach my desired destination/s.
It is often difficult to fathom that it (buying a cheap ticket) that all will go as planned, so when it works.. fantastic..But I always consider the possibility of being delayed on any airline, but more so on any LCC, & therefore allow larger a buffer zone for any connections & destination arrival engagements.
I believe the response from the COO from Scoot was fair & just, though possibly there is somewhat more to this reported incident than has been revealed thus far.
The social media networks, it appears can be a significant advantage or disadvantage to the airlines reputation..the pendulum is perhaps weighing toward the latter in this case.



 
I thought the post by Campbell Wilson had a couple of key phrases that other airlines should maybe pay attention to:

...We realize that one of the main causes of frustration was the timeliness and frequency of information. We have, in fact, been working for a few months on a SMS alert system designed specifically to provide timely information when flights are disrupted due to weather or other events. This system is due for implementation in just a few weeks….or, as Murphy’s law would describe it, just a few weeks too late. Too late is, of course, too late, and we’re sorry.


Timliness and frequencey of information, and good quality information. Maybe let us know that an operating aircraft is running late - would say that you actually value the time of your customers? Not even the full service carriers can do this properly yet but a laudable goal nevertheless.

... I'd still like to remind, however, that we are a no-frills airline. We believe that most of you understand this travel model enough to know that the only way we can offer fares as low as we do is, in part, by not keeping the same large teams of airport or customer support staff as our much more expensive full-service brethren, and that some degree of self-reliance is a quid-pro-quo for a cheap, safe ticket. We have always tried to be as clear as possible in our terms and conditions of carriage, which must be acknowledged as read and accepted before a ticket can be issued, that we do not provide meals, drinks or accommodation in the event of disruption, and repeatedly state that travel insurance is highly recommended. Snow, fog, typhoons or the occasional technical glitch are just some of the issues that are a fact of life for any regular traveller, and although less than 1% of our flights have been affected by more than 15 minutes due to engineering reasons since our launch, unforeseen events do occur. We at Scoot are travellers too, and trust us, we dislike disruptions at least as much as you do. But they sometimes happen, and pretending that they don’t, or thinking that despite every statement to the contrary we were just joking in our recommendation to take travel insurance, won’t prevent them from happening.

Campbell Wilson
Chief Executive Officer
Scoot

Clear terms and conditions anyone? The statement about travel insurance is interesting, and raises a whole lot of other issues about Travel Insurance - often the best travel insurance is avoiding LCC's or giving them a much wider time window between connections than you usually would.
 
and Travel Insurance will generally not cover multiple flights on LCCs - as there is no formal 'connecting' flight, just two separate flights per the LCCs own T&Cs.

Still it is a positive statement by the Scoot CEO, and a good exercise that you should not expect the same as a full service airline if things go wrong on Scoot.
 
Cheap n Nasty is all I can say..

Never planned on flying Scoot ever, but this just reinforces to me why I would never fly with them, sometimes its not worth saving a few $.
 
Cheap n Nasty is all I can say..

Never planned on flying Scoot ever, but this just reinforces to me why I would never fly with them, sometimes its not worth saving a few $.

To be fare...part of the issue was regarding safety and unavoidable. The main issue/delay here were the crazy PAX who decided to block the plane from leaving in protest.

If the flight was QF1 the exact same thing could happen - the only difference is how the airline would hand the situation.

Having flown Scoot SYD-SIN-SYD last September I can say the staff would've had no idea what to do in this event - they were very green - softly spoken (as most Asian crew are) and there was no way in hell they would've been able to handle the protesting PAX.

My question is what the hell are those armed airport guards for? They got upset with me for taking pics at the check in counter...but protesting PAX? No issue!

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The one of the left is clearly onto you!

"Gweilo at 11 OClock with Canon"
 
I flew Scoot and would do so again. Like many LCCs they have a limited amount of aircraft so can't easily transfer you to another flight. The same thing is probably as likely to happen if you are on QF1 but the difference is there are plenty of other flights for them to put you on and maybe say transfer from Melb/Bris, via Frankfurt or put you on BA. (I know all that is changing).

It sounds like the angry passengers were the real issue.

I actually thought that response from Wilson was very good. It wasn't full of spin, it was saying "here it is, we could have and should have done something better, but please remember that when something does go wrong, our fare structure doesn't allow the same sort of compensation as other airlines."

That is the risk you take. When I was in Singapore last Nov, I stayed at the backpackers for about $30 per night. Not an huge financial imposition if you are forced to stay another day.
 
I should add that I don't think there is any more risk of something going wrong on LCC than other airlines, the risk is that when it does you won't be looked after as well.
 
I should add that I don't think there is any more risk of something going wrong on LCC than other airlines, the risk is that when it does you won't be looked after as well.

Spot on - agree 100%.
 
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