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  1. Foreigner

    Foreigner Established Member

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    #1 Foreigner, Oct 21, 2006
    Good evening. Been checking on YUP fare on AA.
    Will appreciate feedback on how many SCs will accure (on basis that QF will be treat as AA first) on this itinerary:
    LGA-ATL-DFW-DEN-LAX, all on restrictive first class, at cost usd823.
    f
     

  2. JohnK

    JohnK Veteran Member

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    #2 JohnK, Oct 21, 2006
    They are all Zone 2 sectors.

    QF normally treats YUP fares as first class so you should accrue 4 * 90 SC's = 360 SC's.
     
  3. Soundguy

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    #3 Soundguy, Oct 21, 2006
    I am flying BOS - DFW - LAX in a few days on AA, books as P & earns 240 SC..... your route is too long for me when added to LAX - SYD (I am flying out the same day). BTW you will probably find 'unrestricted' First is th same price on AA.
     
  4. Foreigner

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    #4 Foreigner, Oct 22, 2006
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    Thanks Johnk and Soundguy. I don't know where you can find the info regarding zones but I did various "multicity" seaches on AA.com and the itinerary I noted was the cheapest in restricted first. There may be others for sure.

    The idea is to get from NY to LA and maximise SCs at the most economical value. I don't mind the extra flying for a day for that purpose. And then of course, there is the long flight to Sydney from LA the same night. I will now look at doing the trip on 15 Nov.
    f
     
  5. Kiwi Flyer

    Kiwi Flyer Senior Member

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    #5 Kiwi Flyer, Oct 22, 2006
    The qantas website has the award and SC earning zones (they are one and the same). Form memory

    zone 1 up to 600 miles
    zone 2 601 to 1200 miles
    zone 3 1201 to 2400 miles
    zone 4 2401 to 3600 miles
    zone 5 3601 to 4800 miles
    etc
     
  6. JohnK

    JohnK Veteran Member

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    #6 JohnK, Oct 22, 2006
    Here is a table of the zones with SC earning for discount economy, full economy, business class and first class.

    To get an indication of the distance between city pairs then use Great Circle Mapper (GCM) or to be absolutely sure then refer to earning points calculator from QF website.
     
  7. Kiwi Flyer

    Kiwi Flyer Senior Member

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    #7 Kiwi Flyer, Oct 22, 2006
    the points earning calculator doesnt work for non-QF flights, so not much use on AA's xUP fares
     
  8. JohnK

    JohnK Veteran Member

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    #8 JohnK, Oct 22, 2006
    Well then GCM is pretty close for the majority of routes.
     
  9. Foreigner

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    #9 Foreigner, Oct 22, 2006
    Thank you all. Here are three alternatives:

    1. RTW in 26000 miles.

    10/11 syd-jfk QF107
    13/11 jfk-mad IB6252
    16/11 mad-lhrX IB3174
    16/11 lhr-bud BA858
    17/11 bud-helX AY756
    18/11 hel-bkk AY97
    20/11 bkk-sin CX713
    20/11 sin-syd QF6

    2. syd-jfk return

    10/11 syd-jfk
    14/11 jfk-syd

    3. syd-lax return. If I go this way, I would buy cheapest lax-jfk separately
    in order to get to NY quickly. I would also buy jfk-lax separately but in
    YUP fares as mentioned earlier.

    10/11 syd-lax
    15/11 lax-syd

    In 2 and 3, I would want other than NOQ classes. The latter ones cannot upgrade, as you know.To decide between 2 and 3, I would need to see overall
    cost but I would also consider buying syd-jfk,lax-syd. "open jaw" so that I can still buy YUP jfk-lax in order to score higher level of QF status credits. Buying YUP in addition on 3 would cost more overall but I will be
    prepared to pay this.

    Personally, I am inclined to do 3 which will a) give me more SCs and b) finish my trip quicker. Is this logical?
    f
     
  10. JohnK

    JohnK Veteran Member

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    #10 JohnK, Oct 23, 2006
    Indeed. Option 3 looks like the logical option given time constraints and maximising SC's.
     
  11. Dave Noble

    Dave Noble Senior Member

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    #11 Dave Noble, Oct 24, 2006
    Before booking a YUP, be aware. From a thread on FT ( post 33 in SC Run help ) it seems that YUPs are now correctly posting as Full Economy rather than First Class . This may also have even more impact with KUPs

    It may be an isolated incident , but be aware that it may not be the SC bonanza expected

    Dave
     
  12. Kiwi Flyer

    Kiwi Flyer Senior Member

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    #12 Kiwi Flyer, Oct 24, 2006
    If it is a change, rather than a one-off bug, then it is a very recent change. My YUP earlier this month posted to QFF as first.
     
  13. Foreigner

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    #13 Foreigner, Oct 24, 2006
    I made bookings yesterday and the printout from the TA shows "CLASS - FIRST" for all flights. With my QF membership number plugged into the system, I would expect to get max SCs for FIRST CLASS. Yes?
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    Another quick question:

    I am booking on V class from syd-jfk, lax-syd. With multiple flight, esp. lax-syd, would changes mean fee payable? I am paying more for V class to upgrade and I would want to change flights if chances dont look good on existing booking. Any suggestions?

    Being QF Gold, are my chances better for upgrade? When would I find out if upgrades are ok'd?
     
  14. Dave Noble

    Dave Noble Senior Member

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    #14 Dave Noble, Oct 24, 2006
    If you booked a YUP/KUP and the occurrence was not a one-off but a change to how QF processes them, then I would expect them to post as Full/Discount economy

    Dave
     
  15. Dave Noble

    Dave Noble Senior Member

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    #15 Dave Noble, Oct 24, 2006
    Methinks that some more reports of KUP/YUP postings are needed to tell whether it is a one-off or a system change

    Dave
     
  16. JohnK

    JohnK Veteran Member

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    #16 JohnK, Oct 24, 2006
    I hope you do.

    There would still be cancellation fees and no guarantee that V class would be available on the next flight you book.

    Marginally better than QF Silver and QF Bronze. You should know if the upgrade has cleared up to 24 hours before actual flight time.
     
  17. NM

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    #17 NM, Oct 24, 2006
    Not necessarily. You can try that argument and it may work, but its not assured.

    I would be arguing the the fare rules clearly state the booking code is A (for YUP) or P (for KUP). From the Qantas FF program Terms and Conditions:
    So it depends on how the interpret the fare class. Is it the first letter of the fare basis (i.e. Y for YUP, K for KUP) or is it the booking code as defined in the fare rules.

    I expect they will tell you that the fare class is the first letter of the fare basis code and is independent of the booking code defined in the fare rules. However, that is not the way the interpret it for fares like AONEx when flights are booked in D or Y/L due to availability. In those cases they only pay SCs based on the booking code used for the sector, not based on the first letter of the fare basis.

    So there may be room for an argument here.
    are you chances better that what? Better than a Silver member - yes. Better than a Platinum member - no.

    You find out at check-in unless you check on-line in the 24 hours or so before departure. Sometimes the confirmation shows on-line about 24 hours before, sometimes its closer to departure time before it shows. Usually it it showing by 6 hours before departure, but some people have noted that it was not showing even at check-in and they have received a new boarding pass at the gate.
     
  18. Foreigner

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    #18 Foreigner, Oct 25, 2006
    One of the regular posters had mentioned the website to check award seat availability. Can't recall it now. Therefore, I called QF today and was told that QF107 syd to jfk on 10 nov looks good in business class for upgrade. Same for QF108 on way back from lax to syd for 14 nov.
    She did mumble that with Gold membership, I stand a good chance for upgrade but obviously, I cannot hold QF to that.
    Would checked luggage be okay for the AA flights from lga to lax? My concern is the four sectors. I dont have issue with getting on and off aircrafts and will spend some time in the AA lounge and hope QF Club members are still given the 2 x comp drink vouchers.
    f
     
  19. Dave Noble

    Dave Noble Senior Member

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    #19 Dave Noble, Oct 25, 2006
    There is no reason for there to be an issue with luggage being connected from AA to QF and you should get drinks vouchers at LGA and LAX ACs.

    Dave
     
  20. Soundguy

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    #20 Soundguy, Oct 27, 2006
    Foreigner, I was concerned about this also so I rang Qantas FF and checked with them prior to booking my AA YUP flights, over the phone they assured me the booking class is what counts, and it books as P in my case.

    Can't speak for you, but that is what I ascertained..... keep all your paperwork.
     
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