Ryanair orders 175 Boeing 'Next Generation' 737-800s

[SteveJohnson]

Irish budget carrier Ryanair has agreed to acquire 175 new Boeing 737-800s, an agreement it values at nearly $15.6 billion at list prices.

The carrier says the deal, yet to be finalised, will take its fleet to more than 400 aircraft by the "end of the delivery stream" in 2018.

Ryanair to order 175 more 737-800s

Easily one of the biggest 737-800 orders ever placed. But I wonder how much airlines really pay, as well all know they never pay the 'list price'. Anybody know what sort of discount is typical?

 

[Flying Fox]

UNBELIEVABLE

What a huge order of aircraft.

I find it interesting that there are no 737 MAX aircraft included in the order.

 

[Mal]

They were rumoured to be ordering 200, looks like that got scaled back.

http://www.australianfrequentflyer....-news/ryanair-order-200-new-boeing-48335.html

Ryanair are a very cluey organisation and well known for their shrewd negotiations when buying aircraft. I suspect the discount they got is massive.

And when you consider they will have 400 aircraft at the end, that really shows how massive an airline they are. (I think Qantas has about 130 aircraft in total)

 

[oz_mark]

And when you consider they will have 400 aircraft at the end, that really shows how massive an airline they are. (I think Qantas has about 130 aircraft in total)

Depends how you want to add the fleet up:

Mainline is around 140, Qantaslink has about 60, and Jetstar 70

The problem with these large mega orders is whether they actually convert to real deliveries down the track. I've never followed too closely, but I suspect some cancellations happen!

 

[whatmeworry]

Hopefully this order sends them bankrupt.

 

[docjames]

Rumours of discounts around half price on these mega-orders. Boeing and Airbus both accuse each other of "giving away" airframes which in reality means they both do it.

The exact financials are hard to know given it can include all sorts of buy-backs, maintenance, spares, whether engines are included/excluded etc.

 

[Simo]

Rumours of discounts around half price on these mega-orders. Boeing and Airbus both accuse each other of "giving away" airframes which in reality means they both do it.

The exact financials are hard to know given it can include all sorts of buy-backs, maintenance, spares, whether engines are included/excluded etc.

A lease fee of 2 years or 50 000km.

 

[mannej]

Hopefully this order sends them bankrupt.

Why so? They do serve a purpose. If that purpose isn't for you, you do have the choice to fly someone else...

 

[Mal]

Why so? They do serve a purpose. If that purpose isn't for you, you do have the choice to fly someone else...

Indeed. They have done both good and bad things to the EU flying market. Things like one way fares, farewell to min night stay fares but of course have created the race to the bottom for airlines.

 

[Simo]

LCC are good for the market but!!!!

But they(Airlines) have to stay profitable to maintain safety standards

 

[whatmeworry]

Why so? They do serve a purpose. If that purpose isn't for you, you do have the choice to fly someone else...

I actually have flown with them a few times. Not too bad but what I dislike about Ryanair is the ancillary charges that others have adopted.

The main reason I have flown with them, is they actually sometimes fly to city pairings that are more favourable to me when in Europe and of course they sometimes have fantastic deals that legacy airlines cannot match.

 

[Flying Fox]

Here is another update on all this -

Irish low-cost carrier Ryanair expects to sign a deal by the end of this year or early next year for more than 100 Boeing 737 Max aircraft, on top of today's agreement for 175 737-800s.

Ryanair expects to sign 737 Max deal by end-year

Totally amazing stuff to me!

 

[JohnK]

And when you consider they will have 400 aircraft at the end, that really shows how massive an airline they are. (I think Qantas has about 130 aircraft in total)

That is massive.

But it is a shame this airline has no respect for their customers and treats them like animals instead of human beings.

 

[whatmeworry]

That is massive.

But it is a shame this airline has no respect for their customers and treats them like animals instead of human beings.

And other airlines unfortunately are picking up on their way of doing "business".

 

[JohnK]

And other airlines unfortunately are picking up on their way of doing "business".

And not just LCC's either. Not good....

 

[Awesom Andy]

But it is a shame this airline has no respect for their customers and treats them like animals instead of human beings.

With a strategy of cost leadership, that's perfectly fine. And it's easy to see how big this price-sensitive market is, given that pax will still fly with them despite how much everyone rubbish the airline. Personally, I have no issues with LCCs - when I'm on a short-haul, leisure flight, and just needs to get to somewhere around that time, I would happily fly on LCCs. However, if it's mission-critical that I get somewhere at some time, I would look for a legacy carrier with good schedules and frequencies. It is unfortunate though, that some people learn the hard way.