[Rumor] Qantas exiting from oneworld {unlikely}

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I was at the discover Europe travel exhibition in Canberra on Sunday and the rep said they WOULD NOT be leaving one world. Whether they are better informed than people here I do not know.
 
There's more than one thread around here that could benefit from Red Roo's input.



Ha. That could be a new thread in itself: Where is Red Roo?

Again, the same could be said for the Virgin rep...
 
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Where is member Red Roo to dispel this rumour?.

He already has!! Go back to the original thread about QF, EK and oneworld. You'll find his very clear response. Also look at comments from QF on its website, statements made by Alan Joyce, and statements from senior oneworld executives in New York.

How many times does the same thing need to be said by the same people to dispel groundless, unfounded - and often malicious - rumours ?
 
Again, the same could be said for the Virgin rep...

That may well be the case. As I have no issue/queries with Virgin at this time, I'm happy to accept that the Virgin rep is also flying stealth.

He already has!! Go back to the original thread about QF, EK and oneworld. You'll find his very clear response. Also look at comments from QF on its website, statements made by Alan Joyce, and statements from senior oneworld executives in New York.

How many times does the same thing need to be said by the same people to dispel groundless, unfounded - and often malicious - rumours ?

I'm quite confident Qantas won't exit oneworld, at least not in the short to medium term.

That said, with respect to you and him, I tend to take what Alan Joyce has to say with a pinch of salt. As markis10 pointed out in another thread:

A year is a long time in Politics, even longer in the airline industry, just over a year ago QF were going to build a better Qantas with four pillars:

2.Strengthen Asia (Invest in a new Asian premium airline.)
3.Deepen and broaden alliances with LAN and BA, including strengthening the JSA!

I hope the other pillars are still going OK:

1. Customer Excellence
4. Ongoing Business Improvement

Today, I was going through some old paperwork and came across a standard letter that was sent by Joyce to federal politicians sent 14 months ago. It read, in part ". . . while we continue to invest in the customer experience through a fully refurbished 747 fleet . . . [emphasis added]". That's also been downgraded.

Then there's the rumoured withdrawal from the First lounge in Singapore, contrary to Joyce's clear statement to the contrary on 6 September.

I mean no disrespect to the man; no doubt it's a tough job. My point is simply that just because Joyce has said one thing, doesn't make it true.
 
Today, I was going through some old paperwork and came across a standard letter that was sent by Joyce to federal politicians sent 14 months ago. It read, in part ". . . while we continue to invest in the customer experience through a fully refurbished 747 fleet . . . [emphasis added]". That's also been downgraded.

This is a good example of how things can be taken different ways, dependent upon context and the reader's perspective. What Joyce said is correct when looking at QF's future fleet investment plans (which I gather was the point of his letter to the MPs) - all of the 747s that QF is keeping in the fleet (i.e. nine of them) are being refurbished. Therefore, the (continuing) 747 fleet is being fully refurbished.

However, people could take Joyce's statement - especially if read in isolation, outside of the context that was being discussed - to mean that all of the current 747 fleet at the time of the statement being made (around 24 or 25 aircraft then, I think) are being refurbished - and that's not the case.

Some people will see that as nit-picking or being misleading. In my job, one of the things I have to do is word official statements about things. Because of that, I've trained myself to read the literal meaning of the words used - assume nothing else, just what the words actually say - in the context of the discussion in which they are used.

That being said, some of the other things that Joyce mentioned - the "Qantasia" airline, for example - have not come to pass. But, especially given the fiduciary responsibilities that companies and directors have, no CEO is going to deliberately mislead the market or the regulators. Especially in a business like aviation, things change. That's the reality, and airlines have to change their plans to adapt.

As someone famous once said - "when the facts of the situation change, I change my opinion. What do you do?"
 
The big unknown is still how Qantas will manage having to codeshare with both Qatar and Emirates....

and no self-respecting airline would switch from oneworld to scaryteam.

Which must be why Malaysian, after rebuffing OW back in 2000, spent the next decade trying to join Skyteam, and only settled on OW after receiving a final no when Skyteam picked Garuda in the region. And IIRC, OW desparately tried to get China Eastern to join but they chose Skyteam instead.
 
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Why does Qantas have to codeshare with Qatar?

I am sure that there are Oneworld members that QF don't codeshare with...

Codeshare was probably the wrong word... Qantas would have to give their FF members points and status credits for flights on Qatar, I think that would be a OW requirement. Given that they want to push all those people over DXB, I'm not sure how that will work out.
 
Codeshare was probably the wrong word... Qantas would have to give their FF members points and status credits for flights on Qatar, I think that would be a OW requirement. Given that they want to push all those people over DXB, I'm not sure how that will work out.

They also don't work well with Cathay, so there is no difference. Just because they have a partner in the same regions doesn't mean they have to go our of their way to exclude Qatar. It also give their customers more options, surely there will be a couple of routes not served by EK that QR serve. And hey, if they get a slice of money by codesharing to Doha then why not?
 
Codeshare was probably the wrong word... Qantas would have to give their FF members points and status credits for flights on Qatar, I think that would be a OW requirement. Given that they want to push all those people over DXB, I'm not sure how that will work out.

A codeshare is totally different.

You are also forgetting that Royal Jordanian are in that area as well in terms of their market.

It does pose an interesting questions, possibly the reason why QF have been quite hush hush as to whether all EK flights will receive SC's, or just the QF Code on the EK flight.

However, as per BA, CX etc, not all flights earn on QF. So it will be interesting to see how it all works out to be honest with you.

*As an example, QF has a FF partnership with China Eastern, who are roughly in the same region as Cathay. They also have Alitalia and Aer Lingus in Europe to go along with BA, Air Berlin and Iberia in Europe.
 
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