Risks of "improved aircraft utilisation"

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One risk I can see of IAU is a deterioration in service recovery after IRROPS due to less spare take-off ready aircraft.
 

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It's interesting that the new route SYD/HND doesn't seem to follow this IAU pattern.

Would be nice to see that route upgraded to an A380 eventually too. Appears to land and leave at the right times for that option.
 

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I can see interior cleanliness being an issue... look at the state of Jetstar planes when the crew have something like 20 minutes to turn the plane around.
 

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I can see interior cleanliness being an issue... look at the state of Jetstar planes when the crew have something like 20 minutes to turn the plane around.

Isn't this more a case of the clientele than the amount of time they have to clean the aircraft?
 

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I always carry some disinfectant wipes and wipe down tray tables, buttons and IFE screen and controls. Part of my "enhanced" experience
 

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Isn't this more a case of the clientele than the amount of time they have to clean the aircraft?

Possibly... but not everyone is considerate. Not talking entire chicken sandwiches strewn over the floor or anything, but more crumbs, tissues/other rubbish in seat pockets which they may not have time to clean if they reduce it right down.

Having said that, I doubt they would reduce it to Jetstar turnaround times.
 

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I always carry some disinfectant wipes and wipe down tray tables, buttons and IFE screen and controls. Part of my "enhanced" experience

Ha! Dont give them options. They might use it elsewhere... pay $15 for a JQ 'SaniSeat'

Just kidding.
 

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Isn't this more a case of the clientele than the amount of time they have to clean the aircraft?

+1 to that!! ... at the beginning of its flying day an aircraft is rather clean....it's the clientele that 'trash' it over the course of its day... note...i do not understand why it's acceptable for people to leave chewing gum wherever!!!! on an aircraft...dump their rubbish wherever!!! on an aircraft... and dont get me started on what people leave whatever!!! in the toilets.... and if some people in society took more responsibilty for their actions....the rest of us wouldn't have to clean up their mess!!! (oooops ... i digress :oops:)

end of rant :oops:
 

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+1 to that!! ... at the beginning of its flying day an aircraft is rather clean....it's the clientele that 'trash' it over the course of its day... note...i do not understand why it's acceptable for people to leave chewing gum wherever!!!! on an aircraft...dump their rubbish wherever!!! on an aircraft... and dont get me started on what people leave whatever!!! in the toilets.... and if some people in society took more responsibilty for their actions....the rest of us wouldn't have to clean up their mess!!! (oooops ... i digress :oops:)

end of rant :oops:

I think that's a valid rant! No apology needed!
 

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Well less slack in the schedule and less 'spare' aircraft will come at a cost - whether one bad day a month is a good result or not but you can lose hundreds of passengers due to the delays (and delays to your flight which has nothing to do with the original problem)
 

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As I've said before, QF really need to keep a couple of the unrefurbed 744s, rather than mothball them.

There have been multiple occasions over the past six months when a 744 has come to the rescue when one of the A380s has struck a problem. With a couple of spare 744s, QF has a buffer. Without no spare aircraft, they are stuffed if something happens.
 

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+1 to that!! ... at the beginning of its flying day an aircraft is rather clean....it's the clientele that 'trash' it over the course of its day... note...i do not understand why it's acceptable for people to leave chewing gum wherever!!!! on an aircraft...dump their rubbish wherever!!! on an aircraft... and dont get me started on what people leave whatever!!! in the toilets.... and if some people in society took more responsibilty for their actions....the rest of us wouldn't have to clean up their mess!!! (oooops ... i digress :oops:)

end of rant :oops:

no point complaining really, the customer is always right - people will be pigs on JQ or SQ, Y or F irregardless
 

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As I've said before, QF really need to keep a couple of the unrefurbed 744s, rather than mothball them.

There have been multiple occasions over the past six months when a 744 has come to the rescue when one of the A380s has struck a problem. With a couple of spare 744s, QF has a buffer. Without no spare aircraft, they are stuffed if something happens.

Agreed - IAU taken to extreme will equal "JQ Standard Operating Procedures" of flights being delayed 24 hours+
 
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JohnPhelan, yours is a sensible solution given that these 744s must be fully depreciated, although obtaining spare parts and perhaps personnel with the expertise to fix this particular class of aircraft may become a problem in the next few years.

If you were in charge of maintenance and scheduling at QFi, is the only practical place to base (say) two spare 744s SYD or could one be based in MEL?

Obviously the majority of QFi's major long haul routes commence or terminate in SYD but MEL is not unimportant. Having spare planes won't quickly solve a problem that develops in LAX, LHR or DXB but it is better than passengers having to wait the best part of two days for a replacement plane to arrive.

In the QF delays and cancellations thread, someone pointed out that if the QF7 delayed aircraft currently on its way to DFW was delayed a further hour and a half (to be later than 1210 in a departure back from DFW), crew would be out of hours necessitating a flight cancellation for already significantly delayed passengers. Fortunately, that probably won't occur but it does demonstrate the multiple complexities when flights run badly late due essentially to a policy of 'no spare equipment' as in planes.

Read the delays and cancellations thread for recent examples of one plane being late and delays then cascading onto other flights. And that's without considering individual adverse effects on passengers with MCT arrangements at airports that inevitably passengers cannot then use, and any struggles to obtain a seat on a later flight.
 

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JohnPhelan, yours is a sensible solution given that these 744s must be fully depreciated, although obtaining spare parts and perhaps personnel with the expertise to fix this particular class of aircraft may become a problem in the next few years.

If you were in charge of maintenance and scheduling at QFi, is the only practical place to base (say) two spare 744s SYD or could one be based in MEL?

Obviously the majority of QFi's major long haul routes commence or terminate in SYD but MEL is not unimportant. <snip>

Do QF even have a 747 crew base in MEL? I don't think QF have had any 747 services out of MEL since HKG went to the 330 (obviously this will change with the new 3x weekly to LAX).
 

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status_seeker, no QF does not as far as I know, so to establish one would admittedly be a major cost. Perhaps that makes basing a 744 in MEL impractical, but I wanted JohnPhelan's opinion as well as he proposed the idea.
 

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Perhaps the goal should be on running multiple services (provided the numbers allow it) from multiple ports, and at different operating times, so if one goes tech they can send pax domestically to the other port for the other service. And they probably need a few more A380's for that ;)
 

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samh004, you are more or less sugegsting the model that QF usd for years in operating flights to SIN from a few Oz airports, with them all providing convenient onward connections to LHR, FRA and so on. Sadly (as far as QF metal goes) that operating mode has been abandoned. The middle aged and older among us can even remember when QF ran intra-Asia flights: SIN to HKG and return was one if I recall.
 

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Do QF even have a 747 crew base in MEL? I don't think QF have had any 747 services out of MEL since HKG went to the 330 (obviously this will change with the new 3x weekly to LAX).

Yes there is still a long haul Melbourne base. They operate HKG and SIN on the A330 but are all 747 trained and very much looking forward to having LAX back!
 
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